Of course I wasn't thinking nearly as logically as you! I understand your right to hate and love whoever you like, however to say that the reason he's a horrible fit is because you alone pretty much know exactly what BC is going to do and get is pretty absurd. You have no idea what will happen in three weeks, and therefore have no idea if Bargs is a horrible fit. What if they get a rebounding defensive big who Andrea compliments nicely. What if they get a PG that actually knows how to play the pick and roll, or even more incredible what if they shoot for the stars and get two guards and a wing that can stay in front of their man most nights so the two bigs do not always have to play defense for the?
What's great about Rubio is mainly his vision and basketball IQ. He's quick enough to get by most guards and he's gotten better at finishing at the rim. Oh and he started for Spain in the Gold medal game in the Olympics and played very well...as an 18 year old! He's been playing against professional player since he was 15. I think he'll be just fine in the NBA.
The 6 rebounds is better left unmentioned unless you're trying to counter your own piss poor argument.
You may be right about the shots and you might not because I don't have the patience to look it all up now, but there are many players on the teams you mention making way more than Bargnani without better numbers.
Quixotic I'm not saying 6 reboundsis anything to brag about, I'm saying not many of the guys in his position necessarily average more than that. His rebounding numbers will improve this year as will the rest of his game.
How can you possibly argue with that kind of statement. Even the biggest *logical* Bargnani supporters all would agree that when you have a big who tends to play away from the basket to draw the opposing bigs out, you need other players on your team to compensate. Or when you have a big who rebounds poorly, you need your wings and guards to step it up. Not neuroscience here.
Don't worry, I don't expect you to do it. I do expect you to say "I don't have the time or patience to look it up so there may be or there might not be; either way, I'm still right." =P
And most 7 footers who play 35 mpg average far more than 6 rebounds per game. He was 79th in the league in rebounding per minute only involving players that grabbed at least 800 rebounds or played at least 70 games. 79th!!!! There is simply no excuse at all for how poor a rebounder he is. None.
Get it into your thick skull that Bargnani will not be traded this season. I think of all the vague stuff that BC's been telling the media, only one thing is clear. Bargnani is untouchable.
If they really wanted to retain Bosh ever since, they wouldve traded Bargnani. We all know that he's sort of the "heir" to Bosh's throne, if he gets traded, its like saying to Bosh, this is forever your team. But have the Raps done that, nope. They want to keep Bosh but not the expense of letting Bargnani go. There's not even a spec of gossip circling around re: Bargnani being discussed in a trade. Doesnt anybody notice this but me? The whole Raps team is being discussed, Wright, POB, Rasho are pretty much goners due to expired contracts, Banks and Evans might be traded due to expiring contracts, Belinelli could be packaged with Turk or even Bosh, Jack vs. Jose, re-sign Amir. The only 2 players who have never been discussed are DD and Bargs. Because theyre not going any-fucking-where.
Last edited by TheGloveinRapsUniform; Wed Jun 23rd, 2010 at 07:16 PM.
Quixotic I dont really compare him to many centers because he's playing out of position since we already had a stat padder in his normal position. I'm comparing him to other forwards. Still as a scoring option he ranks right up there behind some of the best centers.
Also the neuroscience comment says what? that you are smarter...give me a break!! You're entitled to your views as I am mine, but don't imply I'm inferior in intillect to you or Timmy. I know what he was saying, however I was implying he has no idea what might come of the next few weeks, nor how the players we actually have next year will respond to a different team, with a tougher assistant coach. You also don't have to be a nano biotechnologist to get that either!!
Sooo anyways.....I'm hearing that these are reasonable deals. Whether or not Minnesota bites is another thing, but I would think they might be tempted by one of them. Personally, I want the deal for Rubio, but would be happy with any of them.
Also, this is the first Bargnani trade proposal I have ever suggested on here, as far as I know, so I'm not sure where the frustration comes from. Maybe spending some time "by yourself" might be an idea to relieve some stress.
And this part here -- "The only 2 players who have never been discussed are DD and Bargs. Because theyre not going any-fucking-where." -- is purely in your (revisionist?) head. It also helps that the team has only four contracts guaranteed beyond 2010/2011 and a very likely 5th in a rookie scale contract, with one of the four essentially demanding a trade, and with the GM actually discussing the possibility of trading one of Jack/Calderon. Thank you Captain Obvious, but it doesn't mean DeRozan and Bargnani are safe.
I would never try to acquire Rubio until he is actually in the NBA and I certainly wouldn't trade our second best player for him when he could just decide he likes Europe better. I wouldn't mind a trade for the fourth pick and someone else, or if we could trade bargs and the 13th for Love and the fourth, that would be good.
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