i say if the raptors make the playoffs BC stays if they don't he should be shown the door
i say if the raptors make the playoffs BC stays if they don't he should be shown the door
when your franchise guy isnt a franchise guy theres not enough role players out there to make up for that.
our problem has not been the supporting cast its been our franchise guy all along & how peeps cant see that is beyond me. if bosh was as good as wade, LBJ, kobe, duncan, shaq we would have seen a hell of alot more playoff games in T.O
Bosh,Vc,Tmac & all the rest of our franchise guys were over hyped due to the fact they had pretty much a whole country stroking there ego's. they became bigger then the game,then they flew south seeking even more ego stroking.
also pat riley has had success yes but hes had his share of loosing season just like the rest. if bosh was as serious as colangelo is about building a winner in T.O then he could have tryed to recriut someone to T.O this year instead of bolting. we might not have had as much cap space as miami but we had something of more value seeing how the FA frenzy played out & that was sign & trade assets(alot more then miami had to offer). we could have pretty much traded anyone for the likes of LBJ & Wade.
Last edited by DoNDaDDa; Sun Aug 1st, 2010 at 10:48 PM.
number one... a couple of successful seasons ? really ? wat 2 first round playoff exits is successful to you ?
number two...a name that demands respect ? why does bc's name demand any more respect than the gm's of philly, new york, new jersy, indiana, charlotte, detroit ?
some of those gm's have actually won championships... why is bc so special to you ?
number three... pull the trigger with a trade that will make the team better? ok every gm tries to do that... why does bc get special credit for trying to do that ? and what trades are you talking about that made the team so much better ??
number four... you wrote "i mentioned the move to Vegas just as an example of what could happen, not that it ever will."
so why would you mention it ? the raps could go 40-42 for 5 years and acc will be sold out and mlse will never even hint at moving the team...
i encourage you to think about why you have bc so high up and think that he is the only person on the planet to run this team... are you telling me that there ARENT other basketball people who just maybe have a ton of experience in the NBA that could run a team ?
Last edited by vinnie_paz; Sun Aug 1st, 2010 at 11:59 PM.
i agree bosh isnt a franchise player but BC thought he was all the way up to march 2010...
bc tried to build around bosh since he got here... never did the gm you defend so much try to trade bosh.
1. success is relative. Our most successful season was a second round playoff exit. So by our low standards, 47 wins and an atlantic division title is somewhat successful. It takes some GMs 5 years to accomplish that, BC did it in one. Yes we declined, but to be able to pull that off takes some level of skill. Meaning, he should be given at least a 2 more seasons with a roster totally his own, and at that time the true judgements can happen
2. Colangelo is known league-wide. Please tell me who you are more likely to talk business and serious trade with, Bryan Colangelo, or some a random dude that MLSE finds, because those are the only types that are likely to arrive here if BC goes. Regardless of his transaction history, BC still pulls lopsided trades because his peers know and respect him.
3. You probably shit yourself with excitement when you found out we landed Hedo Turkoglu. It didnt pan out, but the whole city was praising BC for actually getting a high profile figure to sign with the raptors. Bottom line, BC can acquire talent creatively, who else has this franchise had with his skill?
I dont have BC on some sort of pedestal, but I dont see just dont see a better replacement out there right now. Give the man a couple more seasons, if it doesnt work out, then bite his head off. But i think right now he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
acquired rudy fernandez for a tpe
acquired nicolas batum for darell arthur n joey dorsey.
he's on record for urging the trailblazers to pick chris paul, but instead they traded the pick to utah
traded telfair and ratliff for a 7th pick. guess who they ended up getting ?
traded tyrus thomas for aldridge.
oden was the projected top pick n no one predicted durant would be this good.
please look at the rosters of the celtics (pre big 3), 76ers (no AI), nets (lots of injuries to carter, kidd, n rj), and knicks (isah thomas years) and tell me why winning a division title in 2006 is a good measuring stick to use when measuring the success under bc ?
so the portland trail blazers who just hired a former assistant gm... so what no one will talk to them now? because a former assistant gm of an NBA franchise is not worthy of talking "serious business" about in your opinion... you cant be serious...
you fail to answer my question on why you think bc is so special?
have you heard of john hammond ? he is the bucks gm. just won exec of the year.... go look up how many seasons he has been a gm ? clue its under 3... so in his first 2 years are you saying that if he called i dont know chicago and said hey i want salmons, chicago is gona say "oh we dont know you" and hang up ?
does hammod not have "balls/skill" as you used the term, to pull of trades ?
also who was john hammond ? the assistant to joe dumars in detroit before joining the bucks...
Last edited by vinnie_paz; Mon Aug 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 AM.
people will still talk to portland because they got alot of quality player people want. Raptors not so much LOL
No assets + No carismatic GM to fleece other GM's = 10 more years of building through the draft & crossing our fingers we find a gem or two & can sign them to more then 2 contracts before they leave.
You know what I like about being a Raptor fan? That mediocrity is what we are praying for....
The truth lies somewhere between the group of fans that are unmercifully tossing Colangelo beneath the bus and the group of supporters who refuse to admit that BC has had a MAJOR hand in the crappy position that the Raps now find themselves in.
However, claiming that a lack of suitable replacements is the reason that we should continue to ride out Colangelo's tenure is flawed thinking. There are literally dozens of young, knowledgeable basketball minds that are working on staffs around the NBA that could run an NBA franchise at a high level. Some of you are overvaluing what a charismatic personality and a perfect smile mean in the realm of being a successful executive in this league. It's about understanding the cap, utilizing the draft, compiling assets and having the foresight to know what moves to make and what times to make them... not being able to pick up the phone and shoot the shit effectively with other people around the league.
I hope to god that most Raps fans are not like vinnie_paz. That guy is the black hole of pessimism that I'm sure is not reflective of most fans. Forums like RR allows fans to discuss things loosely. We all hope for the best but our thoughts are just that, thoughts. Sports is an inexact science - so too will our responses that revolve around any particular team. There's been some really good suggestions and bad ones in this forum - all of which I take with a grain of salt (my comments included). Vinnie_paz, take a pill, be a real fan and more importantly, tolerate (like most fans do).
GM is sort of the same, everyone is trying to sell something.
now if your product isnt as good as the rest u need someone who will make people think it is LOL
on a serious note though BC has never been on pedistal in my house but to say hes not a good GM is rediculous. every team & GM has success & failures, the good teams live through them & keep faith in there Team & GM, the bad teams & fanbases usually try railroad everyone out of town after a loss or lossing season.
the attitude of some fans in toronto is part of the reason some players dont want to play here,
this city is sooo hungry for a championship that every year when we dont get there everybody wants to explode the team & fire the GM, Raps, Leafs, Jays its the same thing every year. no team wins every year & no team is immune to lossing seasons.
Did anyone in L.A get fired after they traded shaq? they had a bunch of loosing sesons too before gasol landed there.
pat riley didnt get fired after miami's horrible season which they ended up in the lottery & drafted beasley.
people need to relax
Last edited by DoNDaDDa; Mon Aug 2nd, 2010 at 12:03 PM.
One, The team has to show as being promising towards the future and
Two, MLSE has to be making some money; If those two conditions are true, BC is likely to receive some kind of extension, maybe a 2 or 3 year extension.
BC has made some moves that obviously did not work out but the team right now has some promising young players to work with and the payroll is under control;
If Calderon is traded, the only bad contract they have now, then it's almost guaranteed BC will be offered an extension.
in fact post #14 on page 1 of this thread i wrote "i dont think we need to fire BC" in the first line of my post ...
explain how that makes someone a pessimist ?
Last edited by vinnie_paz; Mon Aug 2nd, 2010 at 02:07 PM.
V_P we'll agree to disagree on this one. Sorry bout the anger comment. The reason the Raptors are even here is that there are fans like us who will stick by the team regardless of the outcome. Have a good one bro.
Colangelo made a fool of himself and the entire organization with his comments about Bosh and that should cost him his job. The team should be actively searching for a new gm in the next 12 months. I would leave Triano as coach for the year, similar to Gaston's role with the Jays this season. Even if the Raps lose 65 games, at least we will hopefully be rewarded with a high pick.
Wayne Embry could be one of those alternatives. I do agree, though, even if BC were to be fired, I have little faith in Peddie and Co. to hire a proper GM.....Is Jerry West available?
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