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  • It is easy to say lets move AB and Calderon and... but it is much harder to do in real life.

    What do you think you will get back for AB now? He has 4 year worth of 40 million left on his contract . What are you expecting to get back for him? Which team you think is interested?

    Calderon ?? Forget about it !! BC has been trying to move this guy for last 8 month and no luck. This is what happens when you over pay.

    BarBosa !! Maybe !! if his hand was OK !!

    Evans !! no one is going to pay for his contract now. Maybe close to trade deadline someone will pick him up.

    Lets face it guys, we need to wait now and really evaluate these guys. There is plenty of time to make moves in future.
    Right now, it is time to see who blongs and who does NOT.

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    • Bargnani is a bad team defender. He is a bad defender in general, and actually he is horrible at team defense. I don't think anyone can teach him that, and the only way for him to improve is if our entire roster work TOGETHER in the summer on defense. I think it would be the only way to help. If you get a coach maybe he can improve his stamina, and how to use his hands etc.. but his team defense would still be sheet.

      And guys, c'mon. Firstly most NBA players get extra coaching. Players like Bargnani, Howard or other players who have such huge contracts and are supposed to have such large impacts definitely have coaches who work particularly on their game. Bargnani has been training almost every day for 5 years yet he is still not an even decent defender, so I don't think him training with some defensive specialist will improve anything. And as I said in the "Bargnani has to go" thread, right now his offense is more important to us as he is in a scoring slump. If he gets his offense together, maybe he can start working on his defense. Because Bargnani with a decent offense (he's been shooting badly, taking bad shots etc..) and barely passable defense is not as valuable to the team as a Bargnani with good/great offense and bad defense. Just my opinion..

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      • Everyone is frustrated. The players are frustrated, the fans are frustrated and the coach is frustrated. When was the last time you saw Triano get so pissed off that he said his players are playing like horseshit? Things are going to change with the starting line-up. I think the first thing to change is Evans, who is lovable like a drunken uncle who gives you a noogie, but kind of stumbles into things and breaks them. Bargnani is staying where he is because there is no other option at his position. Remember, Colangelo isn't afraid to roll the dice. He sees the same games you do. Come trade deadline, who knows what this team may look like.

        If we start to string a few wins together, the attitude on this board will change. We are quite a reactionary bunch, aren't we.
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        • JoePanini wrote: View Post
          Bargnani is a bad team defender. He is a bad defender in general, and actually he is horrible at team defense. I don't think anyone can teach him that, and the only way for him to improve is if our entire roster work TOGETHER in the summer on defense. I think it would be the only way to help. If you get a coach maybe he can improve his stamina, and how to use his hands etc.. but his team defense would still be sheet.

          And guys, c'mon. Firstly most NBA players get extra coaching. Players like Bargnani, Howard or other players who have such huge contracts and are supposed to have such large impacts definitely have coaches who work particularly on their game. Bargnani has been training almost every day for 5 years yet he is still not an even decent defender, so I don't think him training with some defensive specialist will improve anything. And as I said in the "Bargnani has to go" thread, right now his offense is more important to us as he is in a scoring slump. If he gets his offense together, maybe he can start working on his defense. Because Bargnani with a decent offense (he's been shooting badly, taking bad shots etc..) and barely passable defense is not as valuable to the team as a Bargnani with good/great offense and bad defense. Just my opinion..
          And that's from a Bargnani fan. Obviously, I pretty much agree.
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          • All Bargnani, All the Time

            Arse, I have a job for you, if you're up to the task. How about you break down the game tape from the Sixers game in order to focus EXCLUSIVELY on Andrea at the defensive end. In other words, zero in on him EVERY SINGLE PLAY and rate his intensity, hustle, decison-making and execution for EVERY PLAY. You could reconstruct certain plays that are particularly eggregious or encouraging (I suspect more of the former than the latter). And then offer up a tally at the end of the game, along the lines of: Andrea was involved in x number of possessions, and his average rating per possession was x. Would anyone else be interested in this?

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            • LeeZ wrote: View Post
              Arse, I have a job for you, if you're up to the task. How about you break down the game tape from the Sixers game in order to focus EXCLUSIVELY on Andrea at the defensive end. In other words, zero in on him EVERY SINGLE PLAY and rate his intensity, hustle, decison-making and execution for EVERY PLAY. You could reconstruct certain plays that are particularly eggregious or encouraging (I suspect more of the former than the latter). And then offer up a tally at the end of the game, along the lines of: Andrea was involved in x number of possessions, and his average rating per possession was x. Would anyone else be interested in this?
              I don't really know what the point would be. It's fairly obvious to anyone who watches that he's simply a poor defender. Against Washington he was worse than usual. His man to man defense, which is often overrated by fans around here, was poor and his team defense was downright atrocious. Do we needs stats to see this?
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              • Tim W. wrote: View Post
                I don't really know what the point would be. It's fairly obvious to anyone who watches that he's simply a poor defender. Against Washington he was worse than usual. His man to man defense, which is often overrated by fans around here, was poor and his team defense was downright atrocious. Do we needs stats to see this?
                What would the point be? I dunno...to have something tangible, something concrete (albeit based on Arse's subjective assessment), something METHODICAL to back up our impressions. I mean, during a game, I rarely take the time to pay particular attention to Bargs. But if I were to do so (or Arse were to do so), I think patterns would emerge. Often times one is left with a vague impression that there was a defensive breakdown by the team but one can't pinpoint exactly where it happened. My hunch is that such a play-by-play breakdown would help, and that more often than not, the finger of blame would point at you know who. Bottom line? There's something about this guy that GALLS me, and it's lack of hustle, lack of effort, lack of guts and lack of caring. And anything (statistical or otherwise) that backs this up will be welcome. At least to me. But I do hear what you're saying, Tim.

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                • Look, I've been a supporter of Bargnani through a lot of crap, buy I've had it with him. The first quarter scoring run put on by the Wizards was pretty much all on Bargnani, with his bad shots leading to no points gained on offence and just shit-awful defence leaving the paint wide-the-fuck open. Infuriating.

                  I'd trade him for nothing at this point - quite literally. His terrible efforts are digging holes for this team and leading others to check out as he - their highest paid and focal point - does. You might call it overreacting 11 games into the season, but he is a full on veteran in this league now. If i see him waste another open shot with a pump fake and jump into his defender so he can relieve the pressure of having to hit his shot, I'm gonna flip. Seeing as how that's his only move, I'll most likely be flipping at 7:25 this evening.

                  Even if he has a good game tonight, my mind is made up. He's got to go. Bargnani for Oden sounds pretty good to me. Just get him off the team.

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                  • Anyone tasked with carefully watching Bargnani all the time would have to be put on suicide watch.
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                    • ebrian wrote: View Post
                      Anyone tasked with carefully watching Bargnani all the time would have to be put on suicide watch.
                      +1million. Id rather stick my head in the freezer, or the grinder.
                      2 rebounds?? Are you fucking kidding me?

                      Ive been a defender of Bargs since he got drafted but no more.
                      He wont even get value in a trade, i say we just waive him.

                      Good to great players pay their dues at both ends of the floor.
                      You want shots, you have to defend at the other end.
                      Seems like Bargnani is getting a free ride, all he wants to do is shoot and not exert effort on the defensive end
                      as soon as the ball goes up you see him running to the offensive end coz he wants to get the ball and shoot
                      its pathetic. he's pathetic. and BC will be pathetic if he doesnt trade this lazy ass soon.
                      Last edited by TheGloveinRapsUniform; Wed Nov 17, 2010, 10:14 AM.

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                      • i'm not sure what the point would be...bargs' fans won't be swayed if negative viewpoints are expressed about him, they'll just see it as more 'bashing' & 'hate,' and point to whatever positives he brings, or look to put blame elsewhere (coaches, teammates, weather, traffic getting to the arena, cold locker room, bad pre-game meal...).

                        the exercise itself isn't a bad idea, but we can all do it. for myself, i know that when there's a clear case of a blown assignment or a shit sandwich offensive possession, i'll roll back the PVR to determine how/why it happened. doing so has no value in & of itself, but it helps to do so in developing an overall impression of a player.

                        oh, and it's not just bargs - he receives his fair share of criticism, and 90% of it is warranted, but it's not as though he's the only hole on either end...there were more than enough examples by pretty much every player of blown assignments, poor (or no) rotations, lack of communication, lack of ball movement, lack of movement in general, pounding the crap out of the ball on offense, and guys looking to get their own shots above all else. singling out bargs would more than likely just focus attention away from where it also needs to be paid, which is to the team (extending to the coaches/management) as a whole.
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                        • Tim W. wrote: View Post
                          I don't really know what the point would be. It's fairly obvious to anyone who watches that he's simply a poor defender. Against Washington he was worse than usual. His man to man defense, which is often overrated by fans around here, was poor and his team defense was downright atrocious. Do we needs stats to see this?
                          Well I would like to see a breakdown of some of the fundamental mistakes he makes....

                          but yeah I agree he was worse than usual last night so dont even bother with the Washington game. It wasn't even low bbal IQ mistakes that I normally accuse him of, it was like he was moving in slow motion.

                          I wouldn't be surprised if he was sick or something. He's the kind of guy who would hide it and not even mention it to reporters etc. and it has been going around the team lately (anderson, reggie).

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                          • yertu damkule wrote: View Post
                            i'm not sure what the point would be...bargs' fans won't be swayed if negative viewpoints are expressed about him, they'll just see it as more 'bashing' & 'hate,' and point to whatever positives he brings, or look to put blame elsewhere (coaches, teammates, weather, traffic getting to the arena, cold locker room, bad pre-game meal...).

                            the exercise itself isn't a bad idea, but we can all do it. for myself, i know that when there's a clear case of a blown assignment or a shit sandwich offensive possession, i'll roll back the PVR to determine how/why it happened. doing so has no value in & of itself, but it helps to do so in developing an overall impression of a player.

                            oh, and it's not just bargs - he receives his fair share of criticism, and 90% of it is warranted, but it's not as though he's the only hole on either end...there were more than enough examples by pretty much every player of blown assignments, poor (or no) rotations, lack of communication, lack of ball movement, lack of movement in general, pounding the crap out of the ball on offense, and guys looking to get their own shots above all else. singling out bargs would more than likely just focus attention away from where it also needs to be paid, which is to the team (extending to the coaches/management) as a whole.
                            i agree that its not just bargs. everyone stinks on defense. not even 1 block the whole game? common, thats pathetic.
                            sad to say, but the Center is the last line of defense. guards get blown by often, so your center should be sliding in the paint and getting the block once an offensive player slips by. i saw the magic game and bargs couldnt even block jameer. bosh at least was able to slide in and block the guards a couple of times, but bargs is just a lost case. to think last year this was already the problem and the trainers still wasnt able to instill defense in bargs' hard shell. ive always said that BC took bargs for his offense and not defense, but common now, at least show a little effort.

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                            • I don't think I've done anything that deserves to be punished like this. How about this, you do it, I'll post it.

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                              • bargs takes way too much blame for the whole team's crap defense.. but he isn't free of blame

                                i'll give him the pass on it half the time though, because who did you expect him to be suddenly? the second coming of bill russell?

                                but god damn.... hit your shots.... just do that much... god knows thats the reason you got your pay cheque

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