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  • not remotely a bust. what a stupid thread.
    @sweatpantsjer

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    • He's definitely not a bust, but for the number 1 overall pick he's a disappointment so far. He is what he is but it would be nice to see an improvement in any aspect of his game other than scoring. That Cleveland team is brutal, and he pulled down 1 board?? I guess Reggie was stealing all his rebounds though, so it's OK...pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff! :-|

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      • unclesam wrote: View Post
        The ball is round and it's fair game once it clanks off the rim. Go get it. No one's hogging anything. You mean to say Reggie wants the boards more than the 7 foot pylon Bargnani.

        First it was Bosh "hogging up" the boards, now it's Reggie. Let's stop making excuses for this guy.
        I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. Sooooooooooooo obvious!

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        • ...lets check it out... the top 10 picks in the 06 draft...

          (#) Player (gp)= pts & rbs

          (1) Andrea Bargnani (80)= 17.2 & 6.2
          (2) LaMarcus Aldridge (78)= 17.9 & 8.0
          (3) Adam Morrison (31)= 2.4 & 1.0
          (4) Tyrus Thomas (29)= 8.8 & 6.3
          (5) Sheldon Williams (54)= 3.7 & 2.7
          (6) Brandon Roy (65)= 21.5 & 4.4
          (7) Randy Foye (70)= 10.1 & 1.9
          (8) Rudy Gay (80)= 19.6 & 5.9
          (9) Patrick O'Bryant (11) 1.7 & 1.0
          (10) Saer Sene DNP


          Gotta put him 3rd or 4th... consider that a bust? mmmm i dont.
          "Ball"

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          • ReeZen wrote: View Post
            ...lets check it out... the top 10 picks in the 06 draft...

            (#) Player (gp)= pts & rbs

            (1) Andrea Bargnani (80)= 17.2 & 6.2
            (2) LaMarcus Aldridge (78)= 17.9 & 8.0
            (3) Adam Morrison (31)= 2.4 & 1.0
            (4) Tyrus Thomas (29)= 8.8 & 6.3
            (5) Sheldon Williams (54)= 3.7 & 2.7
            (6) Brandon Roy (65)= 21.5 & 4.4
            (7) Randy Foye (70)= 10.1 & 1.9
            (8) Rudy Gay (80)= 19.6 & 5.9
            (9) Patrick O'Bryant (11) 1.7 & 1.0
            (10) Saer Sene DNP


            Gotta put him 3rd or 4th... consider that a bust? mmmm i dont.
            1. B Roy
            2. Rudy G
            3. L.A.
            4. Bargs

            Pretty terrible draft in terms of overall talent, at least he's far better than most of the other players... Forgot about Rondo, he's either 1 or 2.
            Last edited by Mack North; Sat Oct 30, 2010, 03:40 PM.

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            • A player is considered a bust if the talent picked after him is far greater that what he has or will accomplish. Therefore players like Darko or Oden are considered a bust (Bosh isn't considered a bust even though Wade was picked right after him). Obviously if you are the first overall pick then there are big expectations for you.

              In terms of talent Bargnani is like the 5th best player in that draft (Roy, Rondo, Gay, Aldridge have thus far accomplished more then Bargnani) so he isn't considered a bust yet, although if Bargnani doesn't elevate his game in the next few years and remains consistent then the contract given by Colangelo would be the last big money NBA starting job contract he would ever get in this league and in all likelyhood he will pack it to Europe when the contract ends.
              Last edited by Hotshot; Sat Oct 30, 2010, 02:56 PM.

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              • ReeZen wrote: View Post
                ...lets check it out... the top 10 picks in the 06 draft...

                (#) Player (gp)= pts & rbs

                (1) Andrea Bargnani (80)= 17.2 & 6.2
                (2) LaMarcus Aldridge (78)= 17.9 & 8.0
                (3) Adam Morrison (31)= 2.4 & 1.0
                (4) Tyrus Thomas (29)= 8.8 & 6.3
                (5) Sheldon Williams (54)= 3.7 & 2.7
                (6) Brandon Roy (65)= 21.5 & 4.4
                (7) Randy Foye (70)= 10.1 & 1.9
                (8) Rudy Gay (80)= 19.6 & 5.9
                (9) Patrick O'Bryant (11) 1.7 & 1.0
                (10) Saer Sene DNP


                Gotta put him 3rd or 4th... consider that a bust? mmmm i dont.
                ReeZen
                Looks like you're new around here. You obviously haven't been paying attention to the encyclopedia volumes that have been written on this topic here on this site. Don't you know that Bargnani is mentally retarded, doesn't know that the game includes defense, and can't get a rebound unless it hits him in the chest? In fact, he's the devil! Get up to speed man!

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                • Hotshot wrote: View Post
                  A player is considered a bust if the talent picked after him is far greater that what he has or will accomplish. Therefore players like Darko or Oden are considered a bust (Bosh isn't considered a bust even though Wade was picked right after him). Obviously if you are the first overall pick then there are big expectations for you.

                  In terms of talent Bargnani is like the 5th best player in that draft (Roy, Rondo, Gay, Aldridge have thus far accomplished more then Bargnani) so he isn't considered a bust yet, although if Bargnani doesn't elevate his game in the next few years and remains consistent then the contract given by Colangelo would be the last big money NBA starting job contract he would ever get in this league and in all likelyhood he will pack it to Europe when the contract ends.
                  How can you call Oden a bust? Granted he's been injured most of his career, but he's only in his fourth year. Let's see him play a full season(may never happen) before we call him a bust. He's still oozing with talent.

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                  • He is certainly one of the best players in his draft. His draft class wasn't very good. Most aren't. In that sense, he is not a bust. But he will never be the franchise player that a #1 pick is expected to be. So be it.

                    It is not Bargnani's fault that the 2006 draft did not have the depth of great players that 1984 had:
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_NBA_Draft
                    or 2003:
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NBA_Draft

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                    • Out of curiosity, how many #1 picks become franchise players?

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                      • It's not as simple as most people make it out to be with this question though. Honestly, without hindsight, who would we have picked ahead of Bargs? At the time it was Tyrus Thomas that people were pushing for more than anyone. Roy had health concerns, Rondo was a nobody (who would have remained a nobody anywhere but Boston), LA is Bargs with less range and Gay wasn't a #1 either.

                        I think in order to be a bust you have to accomplish nothing or at least very little - like Kwame Brown, Olawakandi, Morrison or Arujo. A decent, productive player can't really be called a bust. If it's all about who came after you, Bosh is a HUGE bust compared to Wade, don't have to look any further than last year to see that. It's also hard to call someone a bust due to injury (like Oden, who is good while healthy, or Bowie before him who was great before injury) - that's just bad luck. I'd also disqualify people who die before they get to play like Len Bias for the same reason.

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                        • Juan wrote: View Post
                          ReeZen
                          Looks like you're new around here. You obviously haven't been paying attention to the encyclopedia volumes that have been written on this topic here on this site. Don't you know that Bargnani is mentally retarded, doesn't know that the game includes defense, and can't get a rebound unless it hits him in the chest? In fact, he's the devil! Get up to speed man!
                          ..you joined one month before me.
                          "Ball"

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                          • "In terms of talent Bargnani is like the 5th best player in that draft (Roy, Rondo, Gay, Aldridge have thus far accomplished more then Bargnani) so he isn't considered a bust yet, although if Bargnani doesn't elevate his game in the next few years and remains consistent then the contract given by Colangelo would be the last big money NBA starting job contract he would ever get in this league and in all likelyhood he will pack it to Europe when the contract ends"

                            Are you serious? you either dont know what your talking about or just made a good joke

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                            • f91ultra wrote: View Post
                              You're right, rebounding is so important, why can't he be more like eddy curry and his awesome double doubles? oh wait..
                              Eddy has a heart murmur/defect, is anchored to a buffet table and is probably mentally deficient. What's Barg's malady?

                              I believe it's his feet. They don't have "the happy" in them. Check his jumpshots...he shoots practically flatfooted. He is not good moving laterally on defense. He never jumps on his shot blocks. Etc.etc. Anticipation is another. Reggie has both. Rodman had both.

                              Can this be taught? Anticipation definitely not. But just being more active moving your feet?

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                              • I hate Barney but honestly, if you are going to call him a bust literally (I use the term metaphorically) then you might as well call Bosh(ahead of Wade), Carter(ahead of both Dirk and Pierce) and Derozan a bust.

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