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Apollo wrote: View PostSay Multipaul. You know T-Mac was painted with the same brush by the media? You know, him scoring all those points and his teams always underachieving? That article you're linking in supports your belief but... You seem to be attempting to build a house on a foundation of jello. Ball doesn't lie but people with too much time on their hands can come up with blog postings presenting a view supported on numbers but that view doesn't always mirror reality.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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Tim W. wrote: View PostI fail to see the point of the article, then. If he wrote the article to point out how flawed the system that came up with those results is, then I can understand. But I could easily think up some sort of flawed system of statistical analysis. It doesn't mean it's worthy of telling people.
By writing the article, he's showing his system is completely flawed, but that doesn't seem to be the point of the article.
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heinz57 wrote: View Postoh wait, you're this guy.
the guy this thread disproves.
Did you even read the list? Johnson places higher than Bargs.
According to Winston's rankings on that list, the difference between Amir and Bargs is roughly the difference between Chris Paul and Jason terry.
On top of that, I was referring to adjusted +/-, which is Winston's go-to stat. If you want to see the numbers, you can go here:
http://basketballvalue.com/teamplaye...-2011&team=TOR
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Nine New Faces wrote: View PostDid you even read the list? Johnson places higher than Bargs.
According to Winston's rankings on that list, the difference between Amir and Bargs is roughly the difference between Chris Paul and Jason terry.
On top of that, I was referring to adjusted +/-, which is Winston's go-to stat. If you want to see the numbers, you can go here:
http://basketballvalue.com/teamplaye...-2011&team=TOR
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Tim W. wrote: View PostI find it incredibly ironic that the system that Multipaul seems to completely believe in shows that a player he seems to constantly bash (Amir) is actually about the same as the player he thinks is the best on the team. If Mathletics is a valid system, then Amir Johnson is on par with Andrea Bargnani.
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Forgot Bargnani's poor play/hatin' for a second. (And the fact it actually makes comparing Amir to Bargs far more "justifiable", so to speak.) You're telling me that Bargs, Brook Lopez, Crawford, Amir, Landry freaking Fields, Augustin, Harris, and Bogut all deserves to be an All-Star over the league's most defensively dominant player in Dwight Howard...? Really? Really?? And that there's nothing wrong with that all? Seriously?!?
You use stats combined with what you see, ffs, especially not catch-all stats like these.
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Nine New Faces wrote: View PostDid you even read the list? Johnson places higher than Bargs.
According to Winston's rankings on that list, the difference between Amir and Bargs is roughly the difference between Chris Paul and Jason terry.
On top of that, I was referring to adjusted +/-, which is Winston's go-to stat. If you want to see the numbers, you can go here:
http://basketballvalue.com/teamplaye...-2011&team=TOR
-----pts offense defense impact
Amir 12 2 -10 18
Bargs 8 6 -2 22
So Amir does win out in some catergories, but I'm not sure that list was actually in Order. Dwayne Wade second last? It was in order of the 'Points' Catergory. So if you are arguing he was ranked higher in that, then fine.
But overall I'd say its a wash.
Not sure where you're getting this Chris Paul vs. Jason Terry.
Points Offense Defense Impact
Chris Paul 15 12 -3 50
Jason Terry 9 6 -3 41
You'll notice they are ONLY close in one catergory, where as everywhere else Chris Paul owns Terry.Last edited by Joey; Tue Feb 1, 2011, 05:58 PM.
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Apollo wrote: View PostSo you think Bargnani deserves to be an all-star over D12 and Rondo should barely scrape in while Jamal Crawford starts?
But Bargs should be an all star over D12 in my opinion.
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