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  • Tim W. wrote: View Post
    He also worked with Moses Malone, among others.

    Besides, it really doesn't take a great big man coach to teach a guy something he should already know after 4.5 seasons in the league. I could show him what he has to do, but it doesn't mean he's going to do it.

    I honestly have never seen a guy who has had so many excuses made for him. It's endless. And they all end up being bogus.

    - He has been playing out of position
    - He wasn't given a chance
    - Bosh was preventing him from getting rebounds
    - He doesn't get many rebounds because he takes a lot of threes
    - Calderon freezes him out
    - Mitchell was being too hard on him
    - Triano is being too soft on him
    - He's never had a chance to be the #1 option
    - He'd play better defense on a better defensive team
    - He's not surrounded by the right players
    - He needs to spend the summer with Hakeem
    - Etc. etc

    Bargnani is the prototypical "he just needs" player. He just needs this or that in order to become a great player. NBA graveyards are littered with players like that.

    Is it too much to ask for to have a player that doesn't require the perfect set of circumstances in order to be effective?
    Tim W should be our starting center. He is most knowledgeable bout the position.

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    • IL Mago Andrea bargnani 7 time to move at the 4

      Don't u think its time maybe to try the guy at his natural position PF maybe it would be better for him and for us ..!! Find a real defensive center for him and will will be alright ater seeing the season i think its the only way to be successful


      Aldrige is playing a the 4 there for its not even fair to compare them

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      • Huh, Andrea at the 4? I think that is something that no one has ever thought of......

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        • This'll get moved ANY minute now...

          Novel idea though. Someone should communicate this to BC.

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          • His natural position is bent over taking one up the arse.

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            • OzRapFan wrote: View Post
              His natural position is bent over taking one up the arse.
              :O

              Harsh. Inappropriate.
              Possibly true.

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              • This has been done to death.

                Amir is a defensive 4 and I don't think it's helping much.

                Bargs greatest asset is playing against slower 5's that don't like to come out to the perimeter. This would help negate that.
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                • ab7 wrote: View Post
                  Don't u think its time maybe to try the guy at his natural position PF maybe it would be better for him and for us ..!! Find a real defensive center for him and will will be alright ater seeing the season i think its the only way to be successful


                  Aldrige is playing a the 4 there for its not even fair to compare them
                  I've been saying that forever. I sound like a broken record sometimes.

                  OzRapFan wrote: View Post
                  His natural position is bent over taking one up the arse.
                  LOL thats so funny,
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                  • Ugh, more excuses.
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                    • OzRapFan wrote: View Post
                      His natural position is bent over taking one up the arse.
                      This is even funnier when considering OZ wrote this. That show was all about taking one (or two) up.....

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                      • ab7 wrote: View Post
                        Don't u think its time maybe to try the guy at his natural position PF maybe it would be better for him and for us ..!! Find a real defensive center for him and will will be alright ater seeing the season i think its the only way to be successful


                        Aldrige is playing a the 4 there for its not even fair to compare them
                        This has to be one of the most ridiculous of all the thousands of Bargnani excuses. Bargnani is 7 feet, contributes best on defense when he is defending against bigger, slower centers. Is best on offense when he has a bigger, slower defender on him. He struggles defensively against PFs, because he has difficulty defending quicker players and players that face up. And quicker defenders guard him better.

                        Aldridge plays the 4 because he's a quicker defender than Bargnani, doesn't have the bulk to defend big centers, and excels playing the position.

                        The ridiculous notion that he's a PF because he plays outside makes about as much sense as saying that Kobe Bryant is a PF because he posts up a lot.

                        The only way for Bargnani to be successful is to graft him to Amir Johnson.
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                        • Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
                          Ugh, more excuses.
                          I can't believe no one has suggested changing the brand of shoes he wears. Obviously, that is the problem!
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                          • ab7 wrote: View Post
                            Don't u think its time maybe to try the guy at his natural position PF maybe it would be better for him and for us ..!! Find a real defensive center for him and will will be alright ater seeing the season i think its the only way to be successful


                            Aldrige is playing a the 4 there for its not even fair to compare them
                            sigh. done to death. why? so his poor D & rebounding doesn't seem so bad 'cause it would be coming from the 4 instead of the 5 position? y'know...4's are still required to defend & rebound. you do realize that some of top (including the top) rebounders in the L are 4's, right?

                            look, positioning when it comes the PF or C's is only relevant in terms of D...offensively, bargnani is already playing the 4. note how rarely the opposition puts their 5 on him; they don't want to pull one of their better rebounders away from the paint, and they don't want to give bargs what he wants (a big, tall oaf trying to chase him around the perimeter). the word's out...as was mentioned somewhere above, teams are now using their 4's (and in some cases, bigger 3's) on bargs to take away whatever advantage in terms of quickness he would have over 5's. he's not shown himself to be a consistently efficient shooter from the perimeter, so teams would rather he bomb away. if he happens to get hot, they can make adjustments (but it's usually not necessary).

                            so, let's say they find the perfect 5 to play alongside him (say, a dwight howard. let's pretend.). bargs is now defending opponents' 4's (because you aren't going to pull dwight away from the hoop to defend them on the perimeter/elbow). how do you think that's gonna work? bargs is adequate playing man D in the blocks on traditional bigs who don't have a quickness advantage over him. in this L, there are very few 4's that wouldn't have a distinct advantage over him.
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                            • Log jam

                              OMG I have been saying this for years that Andrea needs to playing PF but look at the mess Bryan Colangelo made he has Amir Johnson, Ed Davis and in a few weeks Reggie Evans so when you add Bargnani as smith PF you have a Massive Log Jam so the decision has to be made is who you trade. Bargnani is all Offence and no D, Reggie is all Rebounds but no O, Ed Davis is Young so you can't concider him a specialist but he is playing like a shot blocking specialist, Now Amir is a good ballence of everything. Now you only need 2 PF's so which 2 you get rid of. Now Reggie is gone regardless because his contract expires at the end of the season so who do you want to trade out of Andrea Bargnani, Amir Johnson or Ed Davis.

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                              • J_Mac518 wrote: View Post
                                OMG I have been saying this for years that Andrea needs to playing PF...
                                And you've been completely and utterly wrong for years. Imagine that!

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