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Tim W. wrote: View PostI'm not sure where this idea came from that Gasol was a poor defender in Memphis. He wasn't. Gasol was a half decent defender and pretty good team defender, but his biggest weakness was that he was often overpowered defending against the big centers in the league, playing that position with Memphis.
1) Coaching
2) Bad attitude
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Nick wrote: View PostThere's no way you would be saying that had he stayed in Memphis. We both know that Gasols name would never, ever be in the conversation of a defensive big man if he didn't go to L.A. Memphis traded him for a bag of mixed nuts because he wasn't known as a premier big man around the league. What happened? Due to "good coaching" Gasol has become the best pf in the league. I would agree that most players in the league have the potential to play good defense, the two reason this potential is never met:
1) Coaching
2) Bad attitude
1. They got Marc Gasol
2. They got Kwame's huge expiring contract which they turned into Zach Randolph
So I would say trading P. Gasol for M. Gasol and Z. Randolph worked out pretty good for both the Lakers and the Grizzlies.Avatar: Riverboat Coffee House 134 Yorkville Ave. billboard of upcoming entertainers - Circa 1960s
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“As a captain, I played furiously. I drew a lot of fouls, but I brought everything I had to every practice and to every game. I left everything on the court because I simply wanted the team to win”
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Buddahfan wrote: View PostMixed nuts is true: Some delightful macadamias and cashews
1. They got Marc Gasol
2. They got Kwame's huge expiring contract which they turned into Zach Randolph
So I would say trading P. Gasol for M. Gasol and Z. Randolph worked out pretty good for both the Lakers and the Grizzlies.
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JoePanini wrote: View PostIf Marc develops a post game like Pau, then I'd take Marc over Pau any day. Thing is that he won't he's not as "silky" as Pau. But both great, both very different. But calling Marc nothing is like calling Bargnani primary school basketball player.Avatar: Riverboat Coffee House 134 Yorkville Ave. billboard of upcoming entertainers - Circa 1960s
Memories some so sweet, indeed
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“As a captain, I played furiously. I drew a lot of fouls, but I brought everything I had to every practice and to every game. I left everything on the court because I simply wanted the team to win”
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Buddahfan wrote: View PostI would rather the Raptors have Marc than Andrea!
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Buddahfan wrote: View PostMixed nuts is true: Some delightful macadamias and cashews
1. They got Marc Gasol
2. They got Kwame's huge expiring contract which they turned into Zach Randolph
So I would say trading P. Gasol for M. Gasol and Z. Randolph worked out pretty good for both the Lakers and the Grizzlies.
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JoePanini wrote: View PostI wouldn't HAHA. This is perfect situation for me okay! I've been a supporter of the Raps since 95' and I'm Italian so I'm happy Bargs plays here! HAHA. But I'd actually prefer Bargnani, he spreads the floor, with Marc down low, the YGZ will have trouble finding space in the paint... But both, together and Bargs at the 4.Avatar: Riverboat Coffee House 134 Yorkville Ave. billboard of upcoming entertainers - Circa 1960s
Memories some so sweet, indeed
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“As a captain, I played furiously. I drew a lot of fouls, but I brought everything I had to every practice and to every game. I left everything on the court because I simply wanted the team to win”
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Buddahfan wrote: View PostI hear ya about spreading the floor. However, I am still looking forward to see what Davis and Johnson can do paired up with either Kleiza or Weems.
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Buddahfan wrote: View PostI would rather the Raptors have Marc than Andrea!
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Buddahfan wrote: View PostI hear ya about spreading the floor. However, I am still looking forward to see what Davis and Johnson can do paired up with either Kleiza or Weems.
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Nick wrote: View PostLaughable. Do you understand what 7 foot centre who can stroke threes does to offences? Why the hell are Raptors fans so against Andrea?! Alls I keep hearing "I don't want him because he dosn't play defence." Get real! What players on the Raps did play defence????????? But ya lets single out Bargs, good strategy! You guys are all star basketball fans (huge thumb down)
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JoePanini wrote: View PostI am actually quite excited by our roster this year. Plus I think that Kleiza can help Bargnani develop his game. Because Kleiza was a smaller version of Bargnani when he first started playing pro ball in Europe. And look at him now. Denver definitely did him good, very good.
I could be wrong but I think last season was his first NBA season playing almost exclusively at the center position. He has the size and skill to be a pretty good one on one NBA center on defense. However, he showed me very little last season in terms of his team defense. He did have a couple of good rebounding games though I am not convinced that he will ever be a good rebounder.
However I think for Bargnani's team defense not to be a real liability the Raptors would have to play him with four pretty to very good defenders. I don't think that the Raptors will have those four other guys defensive wise in 10-11.Avatar: Riverboat Coffee House 134 Yorkville Ave. billboard of upcoming entertainers - Circa 1960s
Memories some so sweet, indeed
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“As a captain, I played furiously. I drew a lot of fouls, but I brought everything I had to every practice and to every game. I left everything on the court because I simply wanted the team to win”
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Buddahfan wrote: View PostThe one thing about Bargnani's defense that was positive last season was his gradual improvement in his one on one defense.
I could be wrong but I think last season was his first NBA season playing almost exclusively at the center position. He has the size and skill to be a pretty good one on one NBA center on defense. However, he showed me very little last season in terms of his team defense. He did have a couple of good rebounding games though I am not convinced that he will ever be a good rebounder.
However I think for Bargnani's team defense not to be a real liability the Raptors would have to play him with four pretty to very good defenders. I don't think that the Raptors will have those four other guys defensive wise in 10-11.
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JoePanini wrote: View PostI don't think Buddha hates Bargs, and he didn't mention hating him. I'm one of Bargs biggest fans and I think that was just his opinion... He'd take Gasol over Bargs...
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