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  • Apollo wrote: View Post
    I think Bargnani is absolutely the go to guy. He was almost taking as many shots as Bosh last year.
    Forget last season. It is history and meaningless in Triano's plans.

    Too early to tell who will be the go to guy, but if it wouldn't surprise me it was Kleiza taking over the Bosh role but not quite so much so.

    Start Dorsey at the PF and keep the quick second unit. Dorsey is the best Raptors rebounder. He would do a better job of compensating for Bargnani's terrible rebounding than Johnson would. Dorsey also has the bulk and strength to defend the heavier and stronger Centers in the league. No way Johnson should be starting unless he can do a lot better than 5 fouls per 15 minutes.

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    Weems
    Barbosa
    Jack
    Anderson for now and then Davis - When he is ready.
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    • SirChillyMost wrote: View Post
      Except BC who looks at him like a Golden Child who can do no or very little wrong.

      BC said that he gets offers for Andrea all the time? I wonder what those offers are?
      Funny he used too imply the same thing about Jose,fortunatelyl Larry Brown and Cheese Eyes blew up that myth a few months ago....

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      • lol @ kleiza being the go to guy,hilarious !

        There is no go to guy....Whoever has the open shot,whoever is shooting well on a particular night will get a shot at being a hero...

        smh @ a career 10 and 4 guy being GO TO

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        • 2009-10 Clutch Stats - Per 48

          There are times when I HATE Stats - but times when one needs to counter the BS
          .
          I checked out 82games.com, and found some stats that sorta surprised me.
          2009-10 Clutch Stats - 5 minutes left - Neither team ahead by more than 5 points.
          • FG% > Bargnani had the highest average for a Raptor (and that includes Bosh).
          • RBs > Bargnani was behind "dearly departed" Turk & Bosh. (8.8 Rbs per 48)
          • Plus/Minus > Bargnani was 26th overall (at +17), behind Turk (+21) and Calderon/Jack (both at +18). By the way, Bosh clocked in at +13.


          http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT13.HTM

          What does this mean?
          Only that I keep reading all these crap stats, telling me Andrea is a joke. Does this mean he's a superstar - NO. It just means that Andrea can be our go-to guy. At least until we find that Franchise player we keep hoping we'll find under some rock.
          .
          On a side note, Dampier's numbers were interesting.
          FG% : .923 (#1 last year)
          Rbs : 14.4 (higher than any other Raptor player)
          +/- : +19 (only Turk was higher for the Raps)
          .

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          • RapthoseLeafs wrote: View Post
            There are times when I HATE Stats - but times when one needs to counter the BS
            .
            I checked out 82games.com, and found some stats that sorta surprised me.
            2009-10 Clutch Stats - 5 minutes left - Neither team ahead by more than 5 points.
            • FG% > Bargnani had the highest average for a Raptor (and that includes Bosh).
            • RBs > Bargnani was behind "dearly departed" Turk & Bosh. (8.8 Rbs per 48)
            • Plus/Minus > Bargnani was 26th overall (at +17), behind Turk (+21) and Calderon/Jack (both at +18). By the way, Bosh clocked in at +13.


            http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT13.HTM

            What does this mean?
            Only that I keep reading all these crap stats, telling me Andrea is a joke. Does this mean he's a superstar - NO. It just means that Andrea can be our go-to guy. At least until we find that Franchise player we keep hoping we'll find under some rock.
            .
            On a side note, Dampier's numbers were interesting.
            FG% : .923 (#1 last year)
            Rbs : 14.4 (higher than any other Raptor player)
            +/- : +19 (only Turk was higher for the Raps)
            .

            Now that is some intelligent insight. Thanks for the breakdown and hopefully this will reduce some of the unfounded bashing of Bargnani...

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            • RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
              I voted 9 in hopes it'll come true.
              If Barg's averages 9 rebounds a game the Raptor's make the playoffs- book it....

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              • Kleiza and Derozan should be the go to scorers, though we also need Jack to be aggressive.

                Bargnani can't create his own shot and doesn't do anything on the glass. He hasn't earned the go to guy status.

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                • Does Bargnani Deserve His Guaranteed Starting Position?

                  I believe that we all have heard BC & Jay say that Bargnani is the only Raptor with a guaranteed starting spot (Kleiza has also been mentioned as being a projected starter based on his FIBA play by BC/Jay) going into the preseason. But after 2 preseason games Bargnani has played like a scrub in what should be his breakout year according to BC when he drafted him calling it a 5 year project- well it's now currently the start of year 5 and he comes out of the gates playing like garbage- wtf? With Jay/BC saying in the media that AB isn't the go to guy in 2010-11. As well as taking leadership responsibilities away from him via the media ie promoting Kleiza, Reggie & Jack when questioned- when Bargnani has been in TO longer than anyone except Calderon (who's most likely on his way out once BC finds a suitable deal).

                  Have we (fans/followers) been bamboozeled by BC?

                  All the various things that BC & Jay have criticized Bosh for lacking post free agency in the media while he was a Raptor they are now protecting Bargnani from the same media pressures- why is that?

                  The constant coddling of Bargnani from BC, Gherardini & Jay has got to stop if TO ever wants to be a competitive NBA team as the players see this happening first hand every day and it could cause friction within the team especially when the player in question isn't producing at a high level in practice and/or games.

                  I know it's only 2 preseason games in but AB's lackadaisical effort seems like a constant trend with Bargnani over the course of his career. If I was in charge I would sit his ass down until he posted up, rotated properly on D and crashed the boards replacing him with a less skilled but more hungry player like Dorsey in the line up. Maybe then he'll get the message or it may destroy his already fragile pre packaged ego. Il Mago or Il Drago?

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                  • Frankthetank wrote: View Post
                    8-9 rebounds a game. I will be willing to bet sircilly and tim. The loser gets banned from the raptors republic board????
                    Sure, I'll be willing to take that bet. The most Bargnani has ever managed in a month is 7.1 rpg. And his next highest month was 6.7 rpg. If Bargnani averages over 7.0 rpg, I'll be shocked. The 8-9 range is getting into the WTF range.

                    RaptorRoo wrote: View Post
                    Nice play bro...I doubt either one has the balls to take you up on it though...
                    Why suddenly make this personal? How old are we?

                    MangoKid wrote: View Post
                    I think out of the 10-11 boards per game that Bosh averaged during his all-star years in Toronto, I'm sure Bargnani can find 1-2 rebounds out of that.
                    Why? Last season, the Raptors were a poor rebounding team and he still managed to only grab 6.1 rpg. Obviously there were rebounds available to grab, the other team just ended up grabbing them. It's not as if the rebounds Bosh grabbed were going to the Raptors, anyway.

                    And it's also not as if Bosh is being replaced in the lineup by weaker rebounders. Amir, Evans and Dorsey are all excellent rebounders and rebound at a rate similar to, if not better than Bosh, and Davis should also be a very good rebounder, as well. Plus, Kleiza is a better rebounder than TUrkoglu. If anything, there will be FEWER rebounding "chances" for Bargnani this season than last.
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                    • SirChillyMost wrote: View Post
                      Have we (fans/followers) been bamboozeled by BC?
                      Bargnani improved his offense alot last year, but everything else about him has stayed the same ever since he was drafted. His lack of movement, defense, enthusiasm ... I never expected anything big from him, and honestly, did you?

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                      • I'm disappointed as much as the next Raptors fan, but until Bargnani struggles in the regular season then the starting centre position is for him to lose. Based on exhibition play he definitely doesn't deserve it, but this is why they call it pre-season. This is where you get the rust off and fix those inadequacies hoping that you're a different player come the regular season. We'll just have to wait and see.

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                        • phez wrote: View Post
                          Bargnani improved his offense alot last year, but everything else about him has stayed the same ever since he was drafted. His lack of movement, defense, enthusiasm ... I never expected anything big from him, and honestly, did you?
                          I expected him to be able to play defense at a high level especially by year 5.

                          As well I was against drafting him at the time I was promoting in various Raptor forums both Roy as he from Seattle's Garfield HS (I'm from Seattle) and I knew 1st hand how good he was or Aldridge whom Bosh wanted TO to draft. Bargnani was never in my mind for TO but then again I'm not BC on a Euro mission.

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                          • Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
                            I'm disappointed as much as the next Raptors fan, but until Bargnani struggles in the regular season then the starting centre position is for him to lose. Based on exhibition play he definitely doesn't deserve it, but this is why they call it pre-season. This is where you get the rust off and fix those inadequacies hoping that you're a different player come the regular season. We'll just have to wait and see.
                            Wasn't Bargnani playing with Italy this summer? His game rust should be similar to Kleiza's. Bargnani can't hide from the regular season. He has to either step up or sit down.

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                            • SirChillyMost wrote: View Post
                              I expected him to be able to play defense at a high level especially by year 5.

                              As well I was against drafting him at the time I was promoting in various Raptor forums both Roy as he from Seattle's Garfield HS (I'm from Seattle) and I knew 1st hand how good he was or Aldridge whom Bosh wanted TO to draft. Bargnani was never in my mind for TO but then again I'm not BC on a Euro mission.
                              I have a friend who thinks like that too. "With enough time in the NBA, and you're a superstar." Well atleast, you should improve immensely. I neved agreed with that. Bargnani is proof alone of the fact.

                              You know whats really frustrating? The man must know he's BC's pet. He must know or think that with Bosh gone, its his time to shine because he's been there so long. But he still just doesn't deliver. What is wrong with him, really?

                              Toronto is more likely to fall in love with Kleiza now, who is already two times the player Bargnani ever was.

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                              • ps,

                                It's Too Early Too Tell. Give Him Some More Time.
                                welcome to the start of every season for the past 4 years ...

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