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  • #16
    RAW: Bargs would of won rookie of the year over Roy had it not been for he's appendix surgery where he missed 6 weeks...plus, Roy was on a bad Portland team so he was getting a lot of mins to pad his stats,we were winning the Atlantic and planning on going deep in the playoffs and that meant limited mins for the rookie...

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    • #17
      Clipse2001 wrote: View Post
      I don't think people care if Bargs scores more than 18 points a game. If he improves his D, he can be an all-star with an average of 18/10. That's all Raps fans can hope for. He's not the next Dirk, we all know that by now.
      If Bargnani averages 10 rpg and becomes a good defensive player, he will become....a completely different player. I'm constantly amazed at how little respect some fans seem to have for the skill involved in rebounding. Amir Johnson has about as much chance of averaging 20 ppg as Bargnani does of averaging 10 rpg. Last year, 16 players averaged over 20 ppg, but only 9 players averaged over 10 rpg.

      Michael Beasley has a better chance of averaging double digit rebounds than Bargnani. Per 36 mpg, Beasley, in only his second season and playing alongside Wade, averaged more points, rebounds, free throws, assists and steals than Bargnani in his fourth season.
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      • #18
        RaptorRoo wrote: View Post
        RAW: Bargs would of won rookie of the year over Roy had it not been for he's appendix surgery where he missed 6 weeks...plus, Roy was on a bad Portland team so he was getting a lot of mins to pad his stats,we were winning the Atlantic and planning on going deep in the playoffs and that meant limited mins for the rookie...
        I'm sorry, did you actually watch that season? Bargnani was half decent, but no where near Roy's level. I'm sorry, but if you think Bargnani could have won the Rookie of the Year Award over Roy had Bargnani played more minutes, then I think you desperately need to watch more Portland games. Roy was, and is a far, far better player than Bargnani ever was or will be. Period.
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        • #19
          I respectfully disagree

          Out of your list of people could you possibly name one of whom was not the number one scoring option in the post for the majority of their career? The case against Bargnani should more practically be if he can now handle being a primary scoring option for an entire season. Coming from a team first background, he rightfully chose his scoring spots conservatively and let the teams primary scoring option be Bosh. Who at this point and time is a better player. Can bargnani be better without bosh?

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          • #20
            If Bargnani works hard on his game, and improves his traditional big man skills he will continue to improve on the stat sheet. If DeRozan becomes an all-star level talent and learns to create for himself and others on a high level I feel that will really help Bargnani far more than playing with Bosh. Bosh took the defensive heat off Bargnani but he didn't create for Bargnani. DeRozan may be able to take off the heat and hit the big fella in good places on the court for easier baskets. Stats tell stories, they don't determine fates.

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            • #21
              I don't think that the Raps need Bargs to be a big time scorer, this season,
              or any other season. He just has to improve in all the aspects of the game.
              His biggest strength and benefit to the Raps is versatility, not scoring.

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              • #22
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                Life is chock-full of lies, but the biggest lie is math. That's particularly clear in the discipline of probability, a field of study that's completely and wholly fake. When push comes to shove—when you truly get down to the core essence of existence—there is only one mathematical possibility: Everything is 50-50. Either something will happen, or something will not.

                When you flip a coin what are the odds of it coming up heads? 50-50. Either it will be heads, or it will not. When you roll a six-sided die, what are the odds that you'll roll a three? 50-50. You'll either get a three, or you won't. That's reality. Don't fall into the childish "it's one-in-six" logic trap. That is precisely what all your adolescent authority figures want you to believe. That's how they enslave you. That's how they stole your conviction, and that's why you'll never be happy. Either you will roll a three, or you will not; there are no other alternatives. The future has no memory. Certain things can be impossible, and certain things can be guaranteed—but there is no sliding scale for maybe. Maybe something will happen, or maybe it won't. That's all there is. What are the chances your sister will die from ovarian cancer next summer? 50-50 (either she'll die from ovarian cancer or she won't). What are the chances that your sister will become America's most respected underwater welding specialist? 50-50. It will happen, or it won't. There are two possibilities and both are plausible and unknown. The odds are 2:1. These facts are irrefutable.

                Quasi-intellectuals like to claim that math is spiritual. They are lying. Math is not religion. Math is the antireligion, because it splinters the gravity of life's only imperative equation: Either something is true, or it isn't. Do or do not; there is no try.

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                • #23
                  Tim W. wrote: View Post
                  I'm sorry, did you actually watch that season? Bargnani was half decent, but no where near Roy's level. I'm sorry, but if you think Bargnani could have won the Rookie of the Year Award over Roy had Bargnani played more minutes, then I think you desperately need to watch more Portland games. Roy was, and is a far, far better player than Bargnani ever was or will be. Period.
                  Don't be so apologetic, you're allowed an opinion.

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                  • #24
                    @Buddahfan

                    There are a couple of big men you missed I believe....Elvin Hayes & Spencer Haywood. But they as well "regressed" on the scoring after 3-4 yrs. Hayes was more consistent though for a longer period, even on the rebounding.

                    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...hayesel01.html

                    In re Bargs odds improving I would be willing to forgo the odds as per your research simply because of his background and the fact that many if not all of the bigs you use (and mine) were prime if not #1 scoring options on their teams. This year will be the first that Bargs can take a hold of that position. I still think it is a mental thing with him...lets see if without Bosh his attitude changes.

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                    • #25
                      Could Bargs work at the PF spot?

                      Okay guys, knowing that we're looking at Bargs' numbers and knowing that a massive rebounding improvement is less than likely, maybe it's time to start looking at Bargs at the PF?

                      If you did a really BASE look at his numbers compared to the list of the top PF's in the league, and make the long shot assumptions that he would be able to produce the same numbers in the PF spot, he seems like a more managable fit????

                      Numbers for PF's
                      http://tinyurl.com/272z77f

                      Numbers for C's
                      http://tinyurl.com/2fplx7k

                      Numbers for FC's (omitted on original post...sorry)
                      http://tinyurl.com/26m9pz8


                      Thoughts anyone?
                      Last edited by vulcanoboy; Mon Aug 16, 2010, 01:34 PM. Reason: forgot one link...... FC

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                      • #26
                        Tim W: Did you watch the 06-07 season? Portland finished tied for 25th in the league that year...Also, Roy played 2015 mins (35.4 per game) and started in 52 games while Bargs only played 1629 mins.( 25.1 mins per game) and started 2 games...My point again, is that Roy was allowed to pad his stats on a bad team THAT YEAR while Bargs was very limited...

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                        • #27
                          RaptorRoo wrote: View Post
                          Tim W: Did you watch the 06-07 season? Portland finished tied for 25th in the league that year...Also, Roy played 2015 mins (35.4 per game) and started in 52 games while Bargs only played 1629 mins.( 25.1 mins per game) and started 2 games...My point again, is that Roy was allowed to pad his stats on a bad team THAT YEAR while Bargs was very limited...
                          Yes, I watched that season, and Roy showed he was simply a better player, no matter what his team was like. Roy has shown he has been a far better player than Bargnani every single season they've been in the league. I can't believe you're actually suggesting otherwise. Even Colangelo admitted that Roy is a better player.
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                          • #28
                            vulcanoboy wrote: View Post
                            Okay guys, knowing that we're looking at Bargs' numbers and knowing that a massive rebounding improvement is less than likely, maybe it's time to start looking at Bargs at the PF?

                            If you did a really BASE look at his numbers compared to the list of the top PF's in the league, and make the long shot assumptions that he would be able to produce the same numbers in the PF spot, he seems like a more managable fit????

                            Numbers for PF's
                            http://tinyurl.com/272z77f

                            Numbers for C's
                            http://tinyurl.com/2fplx7k

                            Numbers for FC's (omitted on original post...sorry)
                            http://tinyurl.com/26m9pz8


                            Thoughts anyone?
                            Bargnani's rebounding numbers would look even worse if he was exclusively matched up against PFs. His quickness advantage, which is really the only thing he has going for him athletically, would be totally negated by your typical athletic PF. They'd beat him to the ball and jump over him all night long.

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                            • #29
                              Tim W: Where did I "suggest" that Bargs is a better player than Roy??? Read my post again so you can come to your senses...I stated that Bargs would of won the ROOKIE AWARD that season, NOT that he is better than Roy at this point...Oh, and find that "quote" where BC definitively said he thought Roy was better than Bargs. What's that? it doesn't exist, yaa because he never said that...

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                              • #30
                                Brasky wrote: View Post
                                Bargnani's rebounding numbers would look even worse if he was exclusively matched up against PFs. His quickness advantage, which is really the only thing he has going for him athletically, would be totally negated by your typical athletic PF. They'd beat him to the ball and jump over him all night long.
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