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Should the Raptors Take a Bite at Anthony Randolph?
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Take that deal. All day, every day.
Look, the pick the Raps will be looking at is likely outside the top-5 unless they get lucky with the ping-pong balls, and even more likely to be outside the top 8. They also have the assets available to make a play for a pick from a fringe playoff team looking to dump salary.
Randolph is a kid with that rare combination of crazy athleticism, dynamic skill set and genuine fire that can make a player unstoppable. What he hasn't had is a defined role, a system to grow into and the time and touches to make it happen.
If you make this deal, think about the team's starting lineup after two years of development and roster stability:
Bayless
DeRozan
Randolph
Davis
Bargnani
Tell me that doesn't make your balls tingle with the sheer potential and combination of skill sets that group brings to the table.
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South_Side_Jane wrote: View Postall the knicks want in return is a first round draft pick so they can use it for the melo trade.
we can send them miami first round. any thoughts ? than we can trade reggie and dorsey or waive dorsey
Source: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...rade_for_melo/
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pesterm1 wrote: View Postso what?? Lamar Odom is 6'10. Did you even click my link ??? He played as a small forward before the NBA. one inche doesnt matter, its his skillset not only his height and weight. IMO
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/anthony-randolphIt's about money
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Not to mention, D'Antoni plays a characteristically tight rotation and Randolph would be battling for a rotation spot from either Wilson Chandler or Danilo Gallinari. Is he going to beat those guys out? No. In the current system, those guys are damned near indispensable (despite Gallinari's inconsistency, he's needed to jack the threes, and not needed so much in terms of rebounding in light of the incredible numbers that a 2nd round guard is putting up in the rebounding department).
I think Randolph plays the perfect type of defense for our team, actually. He plays strong help defense, has a great propensity to block shots (although mostly due to his length and athleticism, but I'll take the blocks regardless of that fact) and rebounds well. Plus, he IS 21. Don't you think that with the right type of commitment to develop his lateral quicks and positioning, and shot, he could be a good pickup?
If it is inevitable that the Knicks end up with Carmelo, then we might as well steal a piece here and there as well. It's a low risk investment in this case (assuming CA > KNICKS inevitability) and we are in a development stage. We need to be thinking about 2-4 years from now, and not worried about what the Knicks are going to do this year, next year... or really what they are going to do at all. The Raptors cannot control what they Knicks develop into, but they CAN control many aspects of what the RAPTORS will develop into. That is the prime consideration here.It's about money
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Brain Colangelo wrote: View PostHe has the quicks to play the 3. He has not had the chance.
Hollinger, 2008:
Between Me and the Scouts, One of Us Will Look Like an Idiot
Anthony Randolph, LSU, 9.85
Yes, this is true. Seen in many quarters as a high lottery pick, Randolph has virtually nothing in his statistical record to justify such a lofty selection.
In particular, his woeful ball-handling numbers are a major red flag. Randolph had more turnovers than any prospect except Beasley and Thompson, but those two players had every play run through them; I’m still waiting to find out Randolph’s excuse.
Additionally, his 49.9 true shooting percentage is alarmingly bad for a guy who is supposed to dominate athletically.
He can block shots, and the fact his team was such a mess probably didn’t help his numbers any, but gambling on Randolph with a high first-round pick looks like the basketball equivalent of hitting on 19 in blackjack. Hey, maybe the dealer throws out a 2 and everyone thinks you’re a genius, but chances are you’re going to bust.
It appears he’s going to be drafted in the middle of the first round at worst, but even that appears to be a terrible mistake — there is no track record whatsoever of a player rated this poorly achieving pro success.
So far Hollinger's claims hold up.Last edited by Apollo; Sun Dec 12, 2010, 07:03 PM.
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Arsenalist wrote: View PostI mean, I can see what people might be excited about but the league and every draft is full of "potential". It's kinda like, if it was going to happen, it would've happened.
I can tell you right now why you're not impressed with Randolph: he plays like an ass. He looks for his own first, forces the issue, he shoots too many jumpers, he doesn't play within an offense, he gambles and he's hard-headed. Know why? He played for Don nelson for 2 years, and the only way he could earn any court time was when he played the helter-skelter non-system that is Nellie Ball, because Don Nelson is absolutely god awful at developing players. You need advanced offensive skills to play Nellie Ball, your defense is irrelevant since Nelson doesn't give two shits about it, and unless you can play like a one or a two, your ass will be nailed to the bench. Kinda tough for a raw 19-year old still growing into his body that only played one season of college ball.
Randolph played a total of 1878 minutes in his first two years as a pro. DeRozan played 1664 in his first season alone and look at where his skill level is right now. What Randolph needs is a defined role, stability and good patient coaching along with a couple more summers of working on his jumper, footwork and learning to use his athleticism.
I look at it this way: if you could put Randolph into this year's draft (a draft without a clear can't-miss prospect outside of possibly Irving), you'd have to think he'd go top-10 easily. Now consider the Raps' likely draft position, in the 8-13 range. Are you going to find someone better there? History says the odds are slim.
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Nine New Faces wrote: View PostThe kid is 21. You telling me that by 21 that's it, he's not going to develop more? Pretty sure the NBA has a long list of players that took multiple years of learning what it it takes to be a pro before they 'got it'.
Nine New Faces wrote: View PostJosh Smith is probably the best comparison I could make there, a guy who had terrible shot selection, no concept of team play on the offensive end and who loafed through most games until suddenly, for no apparent reason, someone or something got through to him last year and he stopped jacking up 3s and started concentrating. Only took him 6 years.
16.4 PPG, 2.9 BLK, 1.4 STL, 3.3 AST, 8.6 REB
Nine New Faces wrote: View PostI can tell you right now why you're not impressed with Randolph: he plays like an ass. He looks for his own first, forces the issue, he shoots too many jumpers, he doesn't play within an offense, he gambles and he's hard-headed. Know why? He played for Don nelson for 2 years, and the only way he could earn any court time was when he played the helter-skelter non-system that is Nellie Ball, because Don Nelson is absolutely god awful at developing players.
Nine New Faces wrote: View PostYou need advanced offensive skills to play Nellie Ball, your defense is irrelevant since Nelson doesn't give two shits about it, and unless you can play like a one or a two, your ass will be nailed to the bench. Kinda tough for a raw 19-year old still growing into his body that only played one season of college ball.
Nine New Faces wrote: View PostRandolph played a total of 1878 minutes in his first two years as a pro. DeRozan played 1664 in his first season alone and look at where his skill level is right now. What Randolph needs is a defined role, stability and good patient coaching along with a couple more summers of working on his jumper, footwork and learning to use his athleticism.
Nine New Faces wrote: View PostI look at it this way: if you could put Randolph into this year's draft (a draft without a clear can't-miss prospect outside of possibly Irving), you'd have to think he'd go top-10 easily. Now consider the Raps' likely draft position, in the 8-13 range. Are you going to find someone better there? History says the odds are slim.Last edited by Apollo; Mon Dec 13, 2010, 09:44 AM.
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Apollo wrote: View PostThis is true but most of those guys probably didn't have multiple red flags from the get go. I can name you countless players who had potential and red flags and didn't amount to anything much at the NBA level.
Apollo wrote: View PostJosh Smith, age 21:
16.4 PPG, 2.9 BLK, 1.4 STL, 3.3 AST, 8.6 REB
Apollo wrote: View PostI'm not buying that. D'Antoni awards guys who show up and work hard. Are you using the fact that Randolph can't cope with change as a defense?
Apollo wrote: View PostAndris Biedrins seems counter to what you're explaining. So too does Ronny Turiaf, who had no trouble getting minutes with the Warriors and now is having no trouble getting minutes with the Knicks.
Apollo wrote: View PostHe's not going to get that in Toronto with $10M/yr locked up in Andrea Bargnani, $6M/yr locked up in Amir Johnson and a lotto pick spent on Ed Davis... A guy who I think happens to have more potential than Randolph and brings abilities to the table that are in need. In other words Davis doesn't have the Raptors' typical redundant skill set. Neither does DeRozan by the way seeing how we're talking about him here too.
Apollo wrote: View PostThey just drafted Ed Davis in the range and I'd take him over Randolph without blinking.
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