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DanH wrote: View PostEven in Salty's down year last year, Thole was markedly worse.
Looks like they are cheaping out on backup C (Jimenez may beat out Salty in ST), which gives me hope for another real addition of talent to the outfield.
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DanH wrote: View PostEven in Salty's down year last year, Thole was markedly worse.
Looks like they are cheaping out on backup C (Jimenez may beat out Salty in ST), which gives me hope for another real addition of talent to the outfield.
Looks like they are going to go with Pillar / Jose / Upton / Carrera and in a pinch Steve Pearce as the emergency OF. I think they are going to pay Upton about 2 or 3M this year as San Diego agreed to eat most of his deal. If you come cheap Shapiro loves that so Moss would have to sign a pretty small deal to displace Upton.
If they lose guys to injury its likely Pompey who comes up to fill in ........
Lots of talk about Rowdy Tellez.. but he is 1B.. He has power but he's maybe another year away...
They addressed the backup catcher.. maybe even a little battle for it at ST... which leaves the 'pen.
Maybe somebody comes out of nowhere like Osuna did a couple of years ago.. or they find another Benoit or Grilli in a trade that looks minor but turns out to be great.....but to start the year it would help to find a couple more LH arms .....
That two year deal with Smoak for 4M per just looks odd considering who is out there that can hit the ball and can play 1B.. Alvarez / Moss / Napoli... If Trumbo got 11 .. you'd have to believe that Alvarez and Moss just might 5M at this stage..Last edited by Demographic Shift; Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:29 AM.There's no such thing as a 2nd round bust.
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Salty's not horrible. The guys merely an average backup, and could very well get his bat back in order so long as he plays often enough.
I do think another lefty arm would be nice.... and why did we trade Venditte?Axel wrote:Now Cody can stop posting about this guy and we have a poster to blame if anything goes wrong!!KeonClark wrote:We won't hear back from him. He dissapears into thin air and reappears when you least expect it. Ten is an enigma. Ten is a legend. Ten for the motherfucking win.KeonClark wrote:I can't wait until the playoffs start.
Until then, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they most often stink
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Boone Logan and Jerry Blevins still are out there....
Jeff Blair says their agents are still thinking 2 Yrs/12 M is market price..
and the Blue Jays will not bite at that price with the memory of Drew Storen still fresh in their minds..I think he came in at around 8 to 9M last year in a good old fashioned trade for then surplus corner OF who could lead off -- Ben Revere.
Jays traded Pat V... because his WHIP was close to 2....Last edited by Demographic Shift; Fri Jan 27, 2017, 05:50 PM.There's no such thing as a 2nd round bust.
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Ugh, Moss got a 2 year, 12M deal (6M per year average). Would have loved to see the Jays beat that. Seems within their budget.
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DanH wrote: View PostUgh, Moss got a 2 year, 12M deal (6M per year average). Would have loved to see the Jays beat that. Seems within their budget.
They are thin on starters. There is no 6th guy to be seen right now if someone gets hurt. Talk is stretching out Biagini for help there but thats it so far.
I am repeating myself ad nauseum on the bullpen. This needs some more help ...but
its a waiting game now for bullpen arms. Will guys like Blevins and Boone take less or will Shatkins hope a miracle happens and someone comes out of nowhere at camp. It may work out or they might get nothing.
About 3 weeks till camp opensThere's no such thing as a 2nd round bust.
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Pitchers and Catchers are in camp !!
Gibby did a Boomhauer interview. Spoke for almost 5 minutes and said nothing. Vintage Gibby.
Sanchez looks good ..maybe a little less bulk.No Strohman clip.
Salty seems ready to back up Martin. Spring training ..Where hope , warranted or not, reigns supreme.
Nice break from the Raps angstfest..Last edited by Demographic Shift; Fri Feb 17, 2017, 06:12 PM.There's no such thing as a 2nd round bust.
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4 games outta the playoffs and it's early August, Jays got that wrapped up!
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/201...cknames-ranked
https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/08/09/pl...ames-mlb-teams
Anybody hear about this players weekend? Aug 25 - 27. Nicknames on the jerseys and stuff... quite gimmicky but who gives a shit when there are 162+ games a year. I never understand why people flip out when alternate jersey's are worn a couple times a year.
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Joey wrote: View PostWe're staring down the Jays worst season since before AA took over... and I don't see us in any better shape for long term prosperity... way to go Shapiro. At least AA kept things exciting ... nobody is talking Jays right now.
I'm trying to remain optimistic about the future, but until we have JD locked into a new contract and some kids show promise, I still don't know what to think of this new GM/President. They were inherited a team of older players in win-now mode, so I'm willing to give it another 2 years for full roster turnover to see what they can do before truly judging them(do I have any other option? 😃.
It's just been such a good ride with the Jays and Raps the last few years, actually being in the playoffs, that it's tough to swallow a dreadful season such as this. Oh well, GO LEAFS GO.... EH!?
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Mack North wrote: View PostTBH, this season couldn't have gone any worse than it has. All the injuries to key guys - JD, Travis, Sanchez, Tulo, Russ - not to mention all the career-low stats from most guys, but they really weren't that far from a wild card spot. Osuna has 10 blown saves? Wtf happened?
I'm trying to remain optimistic about the future, but until we have JD locked into a new contract and some kids show promise, I still don't know what to think of this new GM/President. They were inherited a team of older players in win-now mode, so I'm willing to give it another 2 years for full roster turnover to see what they can do before truly judging them(do I have any other option? ��).
It's just been such a good ride with the Jays and Raps the last few years, actually being in the playoffs, that it's tough to swallow a dreadful season such as this. Oh well, GO LEAFS GO.... EH!?
Kinda expected some of the older guys to miss time... Martin..Tulo.... Jose...but not as much as they did.
You have to expect that some of the pitchers would go down.. Its the nature of the game... but to lose Sanchez for the YEAR ? No one saw that coming.
Travis getting hurt again and missing the year was also unexpected.
JD after working himself into tip top shape getting hurt in spring training and missing a 45 days was a killer.
If it could go wrong it did.
So where to from here...?
Pitching is sorta OK for next year... Stro/ Sanchez / Estrada / Happ .. they need another two starters and some depth. Biaginni isn't one of them. Maybe Ried-Foley gets a shot. Maybe Rowley or some of the others are the 6 or 7 guys.. but they need another SP for sure.. likely 2.
Bullpen is OK... have a closer in Osuna and there are enough arms to fill out a pen.
Infield... If they don't trade him for starting pitching Smoak stays at 1st. They need an everyday 2nd baseman. Travis has been hurt 3 years in a row. They could try to trade Travis for a pitcher and pick up 2b like Ian Kinsler to backfill. At 22M a year Tulo won't be easy to move and the backfill for him is already here in Bichette. BUt he is two years away. This is a tough issue for Shatkins to solve but they will. SS with gloves are a dime a dozen.. They can find a guy to fill in for couple years in the system. I think with an eye to the business side they pay Donaldson. 4 years and 100M to keep the 3M attendance figure in play. Russ is here as long as he can play north of 120 games a year. Need to find a backup catcher.
Outfield. Pillar is a comfortable solution in CF but the team can really use an upgrade here. Kevin has no plate discipline. Suspect baserunning skills and doesn't hit for average. Decent power and way above average glove. So the need isn't pressing. He is cheap right now but they should be looking for when he is not. Real sore spots remain as they did last year the two Corner outfiled positions. Maybe one of Teoscar Hernandez or Anothony Alford can fight it out for left field but they are going to have to pay for a RF with some speed and who can hit for average. With Morales and JD and Smoak they have middle of the order power. They need some guys on base who can do some damage when they get on. The Jays running game is non existant.
So... the Christmas list is going to be in order
a free agent corner outfielder to backfill Jose.
a 2nd baseman (Kinsler ?)
a starting pitcher
finding a way out from underneath Tulos contract
signing JD to a long term deal or trading him now for a SP and some young ready to play kids
This keeps them on the fine line between being relevant and waiting for the kids Bichette, Gurerro to get here.There's no such thing as a 2nd round bust.
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Just reading that Roy Halladay has died in a plane crash. So sad, he was only 40.
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2...sh-gulf-mexico
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