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Matt52 wrote: View Posthmmmmmmm... name five teams, did it. What more do you want.
The rest of your post is pure non-sense not worth responding.Last edited by Raptor4Ever; Sun Apr 3, 2011, 03:34 PM.
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Raptor4Ever wrote: View PostAnd I gave you the reasons why being a starter on this those does not mean anything and does not say anything about the quality of the player
The rest of your post is pure non-sense not worth responding.
Is the bolded section because there is logic and thought put in to the response without lowering myself to disrespectful comments or insinuations directed towards you because we have a difference of opinion?
The rest of my post is at the very heart of the thread. The fact you do not with to discuss opinions supported by facts means, to me, you do not wish to have rational discussions. In doing this it would appear, to me, you would much rather turn your attention from differing views and lose the possibility of enlightenment - which has happened to me here numerous times at RR - and stick with preconceived notions and opinions that are viewed as all or nothing, right or wrong, my way or the highway. That is cool if it is what you want but the conversations can get extremely lonely after a while.Last edited by mcHAPPY; Sun Apr 3, 2011, 03:44 PM.
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Raptor4Ever wrote: View PostOh, Timmy, you put me on your ignore list because you simply did not have the basketball knowledge or the wit to have a debate with me. So you took the easy path and buried your head in the sand.
Matt52 wrote:
hmmmmmmm... name five teams, did it. What more do you want.
The rest of your post is pure non-sense not worth responding.
hmmmmmmm... name five teams, did it. What more do you want.
If you wanted playoff teams you should have asked for it. None would have been the answer.
I would like to see a quote taken from anything I typed stating JJ is a legit starter in the league. Could he develop? Maybe, a big one at that, but given just turning 24 and 2nd year in league with little to no PT in first two years, it is not outside the realm of possibility with the right coach in the right system.
If you look back at my comments on the forum you'll see I have said numerous times the Raps have starters who should be backups, back ups who should be third string, and third strings who would struggle to stay in the league elsewhere.
Opinions are cool but when one presents opinions as fact, lack information to back up opinions, or make up statements to prove positions, credibility is lost and one gets relegated to the troll bin. You have a different perspective that is valued while maybe not agreed with - but that is why we are here. I hope you can stay rational enough to stay relevant in discussion.Last edited by mcHAPPY; Sun Apr 3, 2011, 03:42 PM.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostIs that because there is logic and thought put in to the response without lowering myself to disrespectful comments or insinuations directed towards you because we have a difference of opinion?
You know you lost the debate and now are crying wolf that I disrespected you. You might want to add me to your ignore list like your Pal Timmy, believe me, life will be much easier when there is not someone who can point to fallacy of your logic in every step of the way. Ask your Pal Timmy and he will confirm.
But I have a little good news for you. I am off to Europe for 4 weeks in about 2 hours so will not be posting for the reminder of the season. So you and Timmy can keep drooling over Amir and JJ and bashing AB
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Raptor4Ever wrote: View Postyah yah yah .....
You know you lost the debate and now are crying wolf that I disrespected you. You might want to add me to your ignore list like your Pal Timmy, believe me, life will be much easier when there is not someone who can point to fallacy of your logic in every step of the way. Ask your Pal Timmy and he will confirm.
But I have a little good news for you. I am off to Europe for 4 weeks in about 2 hours so will not be posting for the reminder of the season. So you and Timmy can keep drooling over Amir and JJ and bashing AB
Do not worry, I will not put you on ignore. I do read just about all posts from all posters in the Everything Raptors and Trade Proposal Forum.
Have a great trip to Europe and make sure you contact your credit card company to let them know you are going over there. There is nothing worse than booking out of your hotel and the credit card company has put a hold on your account.
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jeff_hostetler wrote: View PostAnd if jumpshooting is what's holding him back, he should consider himself fortunate as it's probably the easiest skill to develop.
Those numbers are indeed solid.
Compare the numbers of James Johnson as a Raptor to Josh Smith's numbers in his second year:
Johnson in 26.5 minutes per game:
8.7 points/.492% - 5.2 rebs - 2.5 asts - 1.4 blks - 1.1 stls
Smith in 32 minutes per game:
11.3 points/.425% - 6.6 rebs - 2.4 asts - 2.6 blks - 0.8 stls
Given the minutes advantage Smith had over Johnson, those stats are actually fairly comparable. In fact, at quick glance, it looks like James Johnson's numbers are actually better than Smith's were.
J.Moon (07-08)
8.5 pts/.485% - 6.2 rebs - 1.2 asts - 1.4 blks - 1.0 stls
J. Johnson
8.7 pts/.492% - 5.2 rebs - 2.5 asts - 1.4 blks - 1.1 stls
Basically, that's what JJ and J. Moon are. "Serviceable" 2nd-3rd tier wings, which is also one of the most common commodities to find in the NBA, especially recycled (see: Dorell Wright). The amount of fawning over JJ is probably more of an indication of the tremendous lack of talent on this year's Raptors squad, rather than any slight against JJ himself. Having said that, I do like his overall game, and would be pleasantly surprised and thrilled if he can take it to another level. He's decent bench player and a role player on a team with a couple of all-stars.Last edited by golden; Sun Apr 3, 2011, 10:40 PM.
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golden wrote: View PostJamario Moon's first season is eerily similar to James Johnson.
J.Moon (07-08)
8.5 pts/.485% - 6.2 rebs - 1.2 asts - 1.4 blks - 1.0 stls
J. Johnson
8.7 pts/.492% - 5.2 rebs - 2.5 asts - 1.4 blks - 1.1 stls
Basically, that's what JJ and J. Moon are. "Serviceable" 2nd-3rd tier wings, which is also one of the most common commodities to find in the NBA, especially recycled (see: Dorell Wright). The amount of fawning over JJ is probably more of an indication of the tremendous lack of talent on this year's Raptors squad, rather than any slight against JJ himself. Having said that, I do like his overall game, and would be pleasantly surprised and thrilled if he can take it to another level. He's decent bench player and a role player on a team with a couple of all-stars.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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Here are the first year stats of a guy who I think Johnson should pattern his game after. They had similar strengths and weaknesses at the same point in their careers.
20.9 mpg .463 fg% .174 3p% 3.8 rpg 2.1 apg 1.2 spg 0.7 bpg 7.9 ppg
Here are Johnson's this year, which in many ways is his rookie season:
19.2 mpg .466 fg% .217 3p% 3.7 rpg 2.0 apg 0.9 spg 1.1 bpg 6.4 ppg
As you see the numbers are very similar, and as I said their games were somewhat similar at the same stage.
Anyone care to guess who the first person is? One clue. He went on to appear in 7 All-Star games and appeared on more than a few All Defensive and All NBA teams.
(For those of you jumping to conclusions, NO I AM NOT SAYING THAT JOHNSON IS THE NEXT ____)Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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Tim W. wrote: View PostHere are the first year stats of a guy who I think Johnson should pattern his game after. They had similar strengths and weaknesses at the same point in their careers.
20.9 mpg .463 fg% .174 3p% 3.8 rpg 2.1 apg 1.2 spg 0.7 bpg 7.9 ppg
Here are Johnson's this year, which in many ways is his rookie season:
19.2 mpg .466 fg% .217 3p% 3.7 rpg 2.0 apg 0.9 spg 1.1 bpg 6.4 ppg
As you see the numbers are very similar, and as I said their games were somewhat similar at the same stage.
Anyone care to guess who the first person is? One clue. He went on to appear in 7 All-Star games and appeared on more than a few All Defensive and All NBA teams.
(For those of you jumping to conclusions, NO I AM NOT SAYING THAT JOHNSON IS THE NEXT ____)
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JoePanini wrote: View PostPippen?
Now, I don't think James Johnson has the potential to be Scottie Pippen, but I think he really needs to look at Scottie's game because their skills are so similar. Pippen had an awful jumpshot coming into the league, but became a very good one. Johnson has the ability to become a very good player, if he works on his weaknesses and doesn't try to do too much. Johnson's strength is his ability to do a bit of everything. He just needs to work on those things he doesn't do all that well, at the moment.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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I don't like the Jamario Moon comparisons for two reasons:
The first is that Moon was already something like 27 or 28 when he got his contract with the Raps. Not only had he spent his prime development years playing against non-NBA players, but I think he was one of those guys who got his contract, then checked out. I never saw in him any kind of drive to get better, no real competitiveness, nor high understanding of the NBA. Probably why it took him so long to get in the league, and why he now plays for the Cavs. J.Johnson is a tough mother lover. A fighter and competitor. That kind of disposition only helps you to get better.
The second is that I hate Jamario Moon (as a player).
Also, it just occurred to me that the Raps seem to have a top-notch shooting coach (English? I can't remember). Derozan has shown crazy improvement. Ditto for Calderon. Amir Johnson is now a somewhat solid mid-range shooter. Ed Davis was awful just months ago, but now is starting to be able to knock down the J. It's not crazy to think that J.Johnson can become a decent shooter. Even developing the ability to consistently knock down the spot up 3.
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