If we can't get Irving, I'm all for trading down. I'm also all for knight. Up till tonight I kind of mulled over which PG I liked second most and after that game against probably the favorites to win it all, I'm all aboard the Knight train. Dudes got it. One thing you can't teach is poise and he oozes it. Did you see how calm he was after hitting the game winner, getting back on defense? That's who I want running my team.
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ha this draft is gonna be a joke, Barnes and Sullinger arent declaring if they lose the tourni.
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Sullinger not declaring: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6260339
Sitting in the Ohio State locker room following the top-seeded Buckeyes' 62-60 loss to Kentucky, the freshman said he would not be entering his name for the NBA draft and would return for his sophomore season.
"I'm going to be an Ohio State Buckeye next year," he said. "This isn't why I came here, to come in here and see my seniors in here crying. I came here to win a national championship."
Plenty of people make pledges in the rubble of an emotional loss only to change their mind later, when the sting and suddenness of the season fades and the promise of the NBA looms.
Sullinger, who had 21 points and 16 rebounds in his final game of the season, insists that won't happen.
"I'm a man of my word," Sullinger said. "I don't change my word and no one changes it for me. This is what I want."
Sullinger said he made the decision following the game, but coach Thad Matta said it's the message Sullinger has been sending to him all season.
"Oh he's been telling me that all along," Matta said. "And I believe it. He told me, draw me up a contract, whatever you need to do. I believe him when he says it."
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Matt52 wrote: View PostSullinger not declaring: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6260339
Did he not learn anything from Spoelestra and the HEAT about the crying?
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charlesnba23 wrote: View PostI was wondering the question. Do you think that Brandon Knight of Kentucky would be an upgrade? I mean if you'd have the choice between keeping Bayless as our future starting point guard or let this role go to Knight, what would you do?
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Yo its frustrating for the Raps, but its also a bad decision for these top 5 picks to pull out like this...
MEMO to Sullinger: Sorry to break it to you buddy, but no one cares if Ohio State wins an NCAA Championship. (lol @ "my seniors were crying"...bro you met these guys a few months ago, what about your family?). You've already proven that you're good. That college tournament...some people win it, some dont. You're risking millions of dollars by going back for it.
(BTW can you imagine a top Law student turning down a mult-million dollar offer from a top Law firm because he wanted another go at the "National College Law Court Case Competition" ?)
Anyway if Barnes pulls out too, forget about trading down for B-Knight....he might be a decent pick at 4-6.
But again, Barnes would be crazy to pull out. Without DWilliams and Sullinger he is a guaranteed top 5 pick, and probably top 2 pick. So he would not be going back to increase his draft stock. He would be paying and risking millions of dollars for another shot at winning a NCAA championship.
Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Dwight, Durant...none of these guys won an NCAA tournament, who cares? Melo happened to win in the one year he was there, but I can guarantee you if he lost in the finals he wasn't going back for another shot LOL.Last edited by Ruuuuu; Sat Mar 26, 2011, 02:45 PM.
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Could guys dropping out of this years draft actually help the Raptors in the long run?
Sullinger is out, Derrick Williams has hinted that he will come back, Barnes is undecided, and Irving has hinted at coming out but is non-commital.
That is four very good players who may not be available in the draft this year. I would be suprised if both Barnes and Irving did not come out for the draft, at least one will most likely come out...hopefully both.
But with the season the Raptors have had, they will most likely have a top 5 pick (looking like Sacramento is about to pass the Raptors giving us the fourth worst record). The odds of the Raptors then picking in the top five spots is 83.2%:
First Pick: 11.9%
Second Pick: 12.6%
Third Pick: 13.3%
Fourth Pick: 9.9%
Fifth Pick: 35.5%
Look at the options the Raptors will still have in these picks: Irving/Barnes (if only one declares, both still might though), Kanter, Knight, Valanciunas, T. Jones, P. Jones, and Walker.
The raptors should still walk away with a strong player to add to the young core this year. Even if all of those players do not declare, the Raptors still have good options to choose from. The number of players choosing to return seems to affect the teams picking 6-10 the most.
The good news for the Raptors might continue too...after another year that we will most likely continue to struggle. Hopefully we will struggle less this coming year, but we will still most likely struggle. Leaving us another good pick for next year. Most likely though, we will improve and that will bring us out of the bottom five. Which is where it becomes a good thing that some guys are sticking around for another year of college.
Next year was already looking like a strong draft group, and is now looking even stronger. Names for next year?
Sullinger
Michael Gilchrist
Austin Rivers
Tristan Thompson
Myck Kabongo
James McAdoo
Tyler Zeller
Quincy Miller
Williams?
Barnes?
etc.
If the Raptors don't improve next year, then they can have their pick of pretty much anyone. If they Raptors do improve, they should still have a strong chance of adding a great talent.
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Shantz wrote: View PostCould guys dropping out of this years draft actually help the Raptors in the long run?
Sullinger is out, Derrick Williams has hinted that he will come back, Barnes is undecided, and Irving has hinted at coming out but is non-commital.
That is four very good players who may not be available in the draft this year. I would be suprised if both Barnes and Irving did not come out for the draft, at least one will most likely come out...hopefully both.
But with the season the Raptors have had, they will most likely have a top 5 pick (looking like Sacramento is about to pass the Raptors giving us the fourth worst record). The odds of the Raptors then picking in the top five spots is 83.2%:
First Pick: 11.9%
Second Pick: 12.6%
Third Pick: 13.3%
Fourth Pick: 9.9%
Fifth Pick: 35.5%
Look at the options the Raptors will still have in these picks: Irving/Barnes (if only one declares, both still might though), Kanter, Knight, Valanciunas, T. Jones, P. Jones, and Walker.
The raptors should still walk away with a strong player to add to the young core this year. Even if all of those players do not declare, the Raptors still have good options to choose from. The number of players choosing to return seems to affect the teams picking 6-10 the most.
The good news for the Raptors might continue too...after another year that we will most likely continue to struggle. Hopefully we will struggle less this coming year, but we will still most likely struggle. Leaving us another good pick for next year. Most likely though, we will improve and that will bring us out of the bottom five. Which is where it becomes a good thing that some guys are sticking around for another year of college.
Next year was already looking like a strong draft group, and is now looking even stronger. Names for next year?
Sullinger
Michael Gilchrist
Austin Rivers
Tristan Thompson
Myck Kabongo
James McAdoo
Tyler Zeller
Quincy Miller
Williams?
Barnes?
etc.
If the Raptors don't improve next year, then they can have their pick of pretty much anyone. If they Raptors do improve, they should still have a strong chance of adding a great talent.
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