Everything Derozan

[Abbas]

corey maggette was elite at drawing contact and getting to the line too. and he was never really a key piece of anything good.

Harden, westbrook, and lebron do other things a hell of a lot better than Derozan.

yes he was but so was

Kobe
the big O
jerry west
MJ
paul pierce
A.I
Lebron
Reggie miller
Wadde
Durant


And no im not comparing demar to any of those guys, im just stateing guys who are/were elite at drawing contact

[jesuis.danny]

No not really. Demar is elite at drawing contact and getting to the line. The only non-bigs better at getting to the line are harden, westbrook and lebron.

He is elite at drawing contact, but let's not discount that his shooting percentage is terrible. The extra FTs simply offsets some of that, but it still makes him a average player in terms of offensive efficiency. He needs to eliminate the mid range shot and step back 4 more feet or just take it out of his game entirely.

[KHD]

yes he was but so was

Kobe
the big O
jerry west
MJ
paul pierce
A.I
Lebron
Reggie miller
Wadde
Durant


And no im not comparing demar to any of those guys, im just stateing guys who are/were elite at drawing contact

almost as if drawing contact is a skill a lot of elite players have. but not a skill that makes a player elite.

[Snooch]

there is one big commonality amongst all these names and freethrows.

Having the ball, ALOT

[Abbas]

almost as if drawing contact is a skill a lot of elite players have. but not a skill that makes a player elite.

thats the problem, Demar isnt elite but why does that even matter

even if he shoots 38% from 3 and 48 from the FG he still wouldn't be considered elite
near elite - Hell yeah

but the only elite people in nba right now are
LBJ,KD,AD, and people like them

[3inthekeon]

And now for an unbiased opinion:

Amin Elhassan has a list up on ESPN Insider with the Top 10 2016 FA's, sorted by his estimation of their worth by AAV. His list:

Lebron, Dwight, KD, Conley, Drummond, Beal, Horford, Whiteside, Parsons, Mozgov.

To make my contract value estimates, I used many of the same factors I considered as a member of the Phoenix Suns' front office: age, injury history, value of recent comparable player contracts, irreplaceability of skill set, contribution to winning, history of production, fit with style and culture, marketability and current cap situation, among other things.

Remember, this is not a ranking of the best free agents -- it lines them up based on projected AAV. And the AAVs listed below represent my estimation of the approximate value of each player, not a prediction of what the player will receive on the market in 2016. (Values denoted in millions of dollars.)

His AAV's ranged from Lebron's 30.7/yr 2yrs (2nd year PO) to Mozgov's 16/yr 3yrs.

No DD, no JV on his list. I'm guessing there will be some disagreement around here.

[Miekenstien]

well with jvs percieved low value maybe we can grab him cheap, but he would look great beside aldridge in san antonio and the spurs will have money next year.

i haven't seen enough high level play from whiteside to warrant a max yet, if he comes out of the gate like he played last year then pay the man.

dd not on the list is right in line with what most of the posters here barring a few have been saying.

[slamdunk23]

And now for an unbiased opinion:

Amin Elhassan has a list up on ESPN Insider with the Top 10 2016 FA's, sorted by his estimation of their worth by AAV. His list:

Lebron, Dwight, KD, Conley, Drummond, Beal, Horford, Whiteside, Parsons, Mozgov.



His AAV's ranged from Lebron's 30.7/yr 2yrs (2nd year PO) to Mozgov's 16/yr 3yrs.

No DD, no JV on his list. I'm guessing there will be some disagreement around here.

How is dwight howard worth more than KD?

[3inthekeon]

How is dwight howard worth more than KD?

Don't know the CBA, but Dwight makes more than KD, so if both get max, Dwight ends up with more??? Maybe just go to askDanH.com

[SkywalkerAC]

And now for an unbiased opinion:

Amin Elhassan has a list up on ESPN Insider with the Top 10 2016 FA's, sorted by his estimation of their worth by AAV. His list:

Lebron, Dwight, KD, Conley, Drummond, Beal, Horford, Whiteside, Parsons, Mozgov.



His AAV's ranged from Lebron's 30.7/yr 2yrs (2nd year PO) to Mozgov's 16/yr 3yrs.

No DD, no JV on his list. I'm guessing there will be some disagreement around here.

Presumably based on last year's performances? Not sure how JV wouldn't be up there with his minute-by-minute production. And what did Parsons do that was so special? I thought he was injured for a while there.

[3inthekeon]

well with jvs percieved low value maybe we can grab him cheap, but he would look great beside aldridge in san antonio and the spurs will have money next year.

i haven't seen enough high level play from whiteside to warrant a max yet, if he comes out of the gate like he played last year then pay the man.

dd not on the list is right in line with what most of the posters here barring a few have been saying.

I'm not a JV fan the way some are around here, but he is better than Enes Kanter and both Portland and OKC felt it was worth 4yrs/$70 million for Kanter. So I'm guessing JV won't be anywhere close to cheap.

[Miekenstien]

I'm not a JV fan the way some are around here, but he is better than Enes Kanter and both Portland and OKC felt it was worth 4yrs/$70 million for Kanter. So I'm guessing JV won't be anywhere close to cheap.

agreed, i'm just hoping that the perceived value undercuts his bargaining power

[SkywalkerAC]

Not every guy on the roster can be on a bargain contract. Just be thankful we've got a bunch (of rookie/value contracts) that will help balance the roster.

Jonas and DeMar won't be cheap. Thankfully MLSE has a shit-ton of money.

[JWash]

Don't know the CBA, but Dwight makes more than KD, so if both get max, Dwight ends up with more??? Maybe just go to askDanH.com

Yeah Dwight is eligible for more money than KD because he will have 12 years of experience (making him eligible for a bit less than 35% of the cap) while KD will have 9 (making him eligible for a bit less than 30% of the cap).

I don't really get this list though. I'd like to see exactly how he calculates AAV.

[3inthekeon]

Yeah Dwight is eligible for more money than KD because he will have 12 years of experience (making him eligible for a bit less than 35% of the cap) while KD will have 9 (making him eligible for a bit less than 30% of the cap).

I don't really get this list though. I'd like to see exactly how he calculates AAV.

Elhassans explanation is in the quote box in my post above.