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  • #16
    Lack of talent, lack of talent, lack of talent.

    Coaching makes little difference to great players. In basketball, it's all about how many all-nba types a team has and how great they are. If this team had Lebron James instead of any of its players (they're interchangeable) they'd have 50 wins by now.

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    • #17
      There is no simple answer to the question.

      The Raptors are always going to struggle against strong offensive teams because they can't play a lick of D and are especially horrendous at defending the 3 point line. Most people would look a G-States record and think, winnable game. I didn't even bother turning it on because I was expecting a blowout and there were wayyyy more interesting and competitive NCAA games on, plus Suns/Hornets on NBA TV.

      This team cannot defend, especially when Bargs is in the game it simple as that. We already had one number one guy who played no D (Bosh) and look how that inspired the team. When your best player is a slug defensively, everyone else follows suit.

      Sad thing is while Bargs has always been a horrible help defender he was pretty decent 1-on-1, (even better than Bosh). Once Bosh left he threw all defensive responsiblities out the window because well he learned from Bosh, that number one guys only have to play one end of the floor.

      Against a team with a backcourt of Curry and Ellis it also doesn't help to have Caderon as your first line of defense. The guy try's hard but his lateral quicks aren't good enough to keep those guys in front of him or direct them where he wants them to go.

      The rest boils down to experience. Young guys hang their head when they get down early and get down big. Especially when it has happened before. They kinda think here we go again, where a vet would say settle down, lets regroup.

      And I don't know about Triano. I like the guy, I think he knows what he is doing but I don't think he commands the respect of the players. He's got asistant coach written all over him.
      Deadallus

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      • #18
        Brandon wrote: View Post
        Lack of talent, lack of talent, lack of talent.

        Coaching makes little difference to great players. In basketball, it's all about how many all-nba types a team has and how great they are. If this team had Lebron James instead of any of its players (they're interchangeable) they'd have 50 wins by now.
        I think the comment "lack of talent" is misinterpreted alot on here. This team has many talented players who can do some good things, but its not always about talent. Lots of talented players can't inspire greatness or elevate the team around them, (ie. Marbury). As Brandon mentioned surround an elite player with this team as a supporting cast and your in buisness.
        Deadallus

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        • #19
          GarbageTime wrote: View Post
          I'm not complimenting Jay here, but Coaches get blamed much to easily.

          As I said yesterday, this team is NOT in rebuild mode yet. Its in suck ass mode... and will continue to until something is done about the weak links on this team. Only then can they truelly start rebuilding.

          I don't know how anyone thinks they can get a read on the quality of Triano as a coach, when he is subjected to having to play inefficient, soft, no defense players. IF that is his choice, then he is to blame..... but given how this organization seems to cuddle the girls and call them men, I hardly think Triano is the one who deserves the blame.

          With Reggie and Amir out, this team would be overpowered by a WNBA team. Not Jay's fault he has been handed women to play a mens league.
          I respectfully disagree that his lack of coaching skills can not be seen, I do not see this team moving the ball in a half court set to get a open shot or lay up, I see the ball dead on one side of the court, I do not see any type of inside out game. What I do see is a team with no stars playing freestyle basketball like this was a pick up game. There is still the rest of the season to make this team PLAY the right way if that means coming down the court the entire game and running the same set over and over again try to get all the options off the set then thats what they should be doing.

          playing the game for 48 minutes means play like its the forth quarter and you have to run a good set everytime down the floor but do that for all 4 quarters. I don't see that at all

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          • #20
            -BC
            -Lack of talent and too many one-dimensional players
            -Triano
            -Lack of experience/youth/immaturity

            No one in this roster is a starter in a good playoff team (still early for DD and Ed) with Amir being the closest thing to one. Even if we draft a stud, he'd still be surrounded by bench players unless DD and Ed make significant improvements next year. That said, no matter how bad a team you are, you absolutely cannot be embarrassed like that, and I blame that on the coaches and their defensive philosophy and implementation of that philosophy. They just fail.

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            • #21
              I bet BC gonna draft Jonas , if he does I wont be a Raptor fan anymore.
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              • #22
                grindhouse wrote: View Post
                I respectfully disagree that his lack of coaching skills can not be seen, I do not see this team moving the ball in a half court set to get a open shot or lay up, I see the ball dead on one side of the court, I do not see any type of inside out game. What I do see is a team with no stars playing freestyle basketball like this was a pick up game. There is still the rest of the season to make this team PLAY the right way if that means coming down the court the entire game and running the same set over and over again try to get all the options off the set then thats what they should be doing.

                playing the game for 48 minutes means play like its the forth quarter and you have to run a good set everytime down the floor but do that for all 4 quarters. I don't see that at all
                here is the thing.... that is ALL OFFENSE. The offense is not, and has not, been a problem all season. This team did not get blown out because of lack of scoring. This team got blown out because of a complete inability and willingness to defend. This team loses games because they are one of the worst defensive teams in the league. No desire, no willingness, no effort, no heart.

                Even then, most of what you mentioned is directly related to one or two players. How can you have an "inside out game" when your C only plays outside. How can you have ball movement, when your main offensive threats suck in the ball when the get it (Bargs, Derozan, Barbossa)? The high usage players on this team are for the most part one dimensional. You cannot expect diversity when players don't have it. (no matter how much we are told they do)

                We can blame the coach, but that can only be, at most, one part of the problem. Players still play the game. And when a coach is given alot of soft players, you can't expect him to make them tough through osmosis.

                The culture and players needs to change. If that includes the coach, I'm not against it. But just changing the coach is not going to solve the problems this team has.... unless that coach is giving the ability to hold players accountable. I don't believe for a second that Jay has been given that freedom.

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                • #23
                  CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
                  That game was..... I have no words for it..... but an overwhelming majority of fans on RR want the true rebuild to continue, so every loss means more pingpong balls, right???

                  Nope. Since the raps won against Washington Friday last it is virtually impossible for them to land anywhere other than 5th worst record. There's no point in cheering for the raps to lose anymore, we won't be getting anymore ping pong balls.
                  "They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014

                  "I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015

                  "We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon

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                  • #24
                    GarbageTime wrote: View Post
                    here is the thing.... that is ALL OFFENSE. The offense is not, and has not, been a problem all season. This team did not get blown out because of lack of scoring. This team got blown out because of a complete inability and willingness to defend. This team loses games because they are one of the worst defensive teams in the league. No desire, no willingness, no effort, no heart.

                    Even then, most of what you mentioned is directly related to one or two players. How can you have an "inside out game" when your C only plays outside. How can you have ball movement, when your main offensive threats suck in the ball when the get it (Bargs, Derozan, Barbossa)? The high usage players on this team are for the most part one dimensional. You cannot expect diversity when players don't have it. (no matter how much we are told they do)

                    We can blame the coach, but that can only be, at most, one part of the problem. Players still play the game. And when a coach is given alot of soft players, you can't expect him to make them tough through osmosis.

                    The culture and players needs to change. If that includes the coach, I'm not against it. But just changing the coach is not going to solve the problems this team has.... unless that coach is giving the ability to hold players accountable. I don't believe for a second that Jay has been given that freedom.
                    I agree the culture needs to change and that means getting people in on both sides of the equation with the right mindset.

                    Yes players do play the game but its suppose to be within the framework of the coaches strategy and tactics which should be a controlled environment with a team this inexperienced. Derek fisher is not a good defender but his weaknesses are hidden, rondo is not a good shooter but his weaknesses within the teams structure. Do we have so many weaknesses that calderon's bad defence can't be hidden or bargnani bad defense can't be hidden or reggie's lack of ability to score can't be hidden for stretches of the game? I don't think we do especially when we do have specialist on our roster like wright perimeter defense, davis shot block, james johnson perimeter defense. thats how you have to evaluate the talent on the roster at this point. Yes we do not have all-star talent but we have the ability as a team to hide our weaknesses for periods at a time.

                    having a inside/out game doesn't always have to come from your center or power forward posting on the block you got back door cuts and back screens and high low stuff that can achieve the same results. all of which come from running sets and not freestyling the game.

                    I completely agree with you that we do have soft players on this team and until we can upgrade we have to hide them or take them completely off the floor and if they are not trying to do that what are we really trying to do out there? Most teams I can see what they are trying to do but with Jay I don't know what he is doing besides trying to outscore people and put in a rebounder to try and grab the misses.

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                    • #25
                      grindhouse wrote: View Post
                      the team doesn't run any plays thats bad coaching.
                      How many games in a row this season have the Raptors played with a full and consistent team rotation? How do you establish chemistry when the same 5 guys aren't getting consistent playing time together? This season has essentially been a continuation of training camp, to evaluate individual talent for next season. The really unfortunate part is that talent is precisely what this team is lacking!

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                      • #26
                        The Raptors are not giving in 110% of effort out there, they need to hire a team psychologist or something.

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                        • #27
                          Lol

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                          • #28
                            There are enough decent players on this team, as their wins against good teams testify to, that such a pathetic, display as we witnessed last night should not happen. I blame it on communication. There is a problem communicating at every level of this team, the players with each other, the coaches with each other, the coaches to the players and Colangelo with everybody. Last year there was a good meeting that preceded a turnaround on the court. This year we have Reggie Evans telling everyone to lay off Bargnani because he is the best player on the team. Instead Evans should have Andrea by the throat up against a wall telling him to play some defense instead of wandering around looking dazed and confused.

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                            • #29
                              j bean wrote: View Post
                              There are enough decent players on this team, as their wins against good teams testify to, that such a pathetic, display as we witnessed last night should not happen. I blame it on communication. There is a problem communicating at every level of this team, the players with each other, the coaches with each other, the coaches to the players and Colangelo with everybody. Last year there was a good meeting that preceded a turnaround on the court. This year we have Reggie Evans telling everyone to lay off Bargnani because he is the best player on the team. Instead Evans should have Andrea by the throat up against a wall telling him to play some defense instead of wandering around looking dazed and confused.
                              That is so so true. I hope someone from MLSE actually reads this forum and in particular this comment.

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                              • #30
                                its all about consistency. Saying one thing, doing another. Pushing rebuilding-> not making the necessary trades. preaching Defensive construction-> not punishing players for lack of defensive hussle. I mean really, our defense was like water against golden state. And we have no team leader which is the big problem i see.

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