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  • What 2011 Picks Could/Would The Raps Get

    We have been thowing around many ideas of trades returning some picks thoughout this year's draft. Sure this is a star-weak draft, but also very flat and role players to be found from 10(5?) through 35. So which picks are available, and would the cost of getting them/using them be worth it?
    Here are the top 35 picks, team, projected player, school, ht, wgt, pos, school from NBADRAFT.net (with a few editis to make it easier to read)
    1 MinnesotaDerrick Williams 6-9 241 SF/PF Arizona So.
    2 Cleveland Kyrie Irving 6-2 180 PG Duke Fr.
    3 Toronto Enes Kanter 6-11 261 PF/C Kentucky Fr.
    4 Washington D Motiejunas 7-0 224 PF Lithuania Intl.
    5 SacramentoBrandn Knight 6-3 185 PG/SG Kentucky Fr.
    6 *Utah Jan Vesely 6-11 230 SF/PF Czech Republic Intl.
    7 Detroit Tristan Thompson 6-9 225 PF Texas Fr.
    8 *Cleveland Kemba Walker 6-0 172 PG UConn Jr.
    9 Charlotte Alec Burks 6-6 191 PG/SG Colorado So.
    10 Milwaukee Marcus Morris 6-9 218 SF/PF Kansas Jr.
    11 Golden StJimmer Fredette 6-2 195 PG BYU Sr.
    12 *Utah Markieff Morris 6-10 245 PF Kansas Jr.
    13 *Phoenix Terrence Jones 6-8 244 SF Kentucky Fr.
    14 Houston Klay Thompson 6-6 202 SG Washington St... Jr.
    15 IndianaTrey Thompkins 6-10 247 PF Georgia Jr.
    16 PhiladelphiaKawhi Leonard 6-7 225 SF San Diego St. So.
    17 New York Tyler Honeycutt 6-8 185 SG/SF UCLA So.
    18 *WashingtonJrdn Hamilton 6-7 226 SG/SF Texas So.
    19 *Charlotte Tobias Harris 6-8 225 SF/PF Tennessee Fr.
    20 *MinnesotaChrs Singleton 6-9 225 SF/PF Florida St. Jr.
    21 Portland Kenneth Faried 6-8 225 PF Morehead St. Sr.
    22 Denver Jordan Williams 6-10 260 PF Maryland So.
    23 *HoustonShelvin Mack 6-2 215 PG/SG Butler Jr.
    24 Oklahoma CtyNolan Smith 6-3 189 PG/SG Duke Sr.
    25 Boston Bismack Biyombo 6-9 243 C Congo Intl.
    26 Dallas JaJuan Johnson 6-10 221 PF Purdue Sr.
    27 New JerseyJeremy Tyler 6-10 245 PF USA Intl.
    28 Chicago Kyle Singler 6-8 237 SF Duke Sr.
    29 San AntonioDarius Morris 6-4 190 PG Michigan So.
    30 ChicagoChandler Parsons 6-8 217 SF Florida Sr.
    31 *Miami Jon Leuer 6-10 228 PF Wisconsin Sr.
    32 Cleveland Norris Cole 6-2 175 PG Cleveland St. Sr.
    33 *Detroit Marshon Brooks 6-5 190 SG Providence Sr.
    34 WashingtonJosh Selby6-2 183 PG/SG Kansas Fr.
    35 SacramentoNikla Mirotic 6-10 225 SF/PF Montenegro Intl.

  • #2
    What picks are available:
    1 Minnesota They have said they don't want to get younger, but I don't see them trading a top 4 pick. See later pick.
    2 Cleveland took on big salary just to get a second pick, in full rebuild and very unlikely to trade these picks.
    3 Toronto
    4 Washington possible but unlikely, as I would see them wanting to pair with Wall.
    5 Sacramento Have openly stated the pick is obtainable.
    6 *Utah "Retooling" after the Deron Williams trade. Probably keeping both picks.
    7 Detroit Potentially, no word on this.
    8 *Cleveland took on big salary just to get a second pick, in full rebuild and very unlikely to trade these picks.
    9 Charlotte Possible if taking on salary
    10 Milwaukee No. They are already targeting a player here, although one of which did not declare. No names released.
    11 Golden StPossible, although since firing Smart they have stated they want defensive players. Raps a little short. For sale? EDIT: Not possible, 2012 pick rights traded.
    12 *Utah Retooling" after the Deron Williams trade. Probably keeping both picks.
    13 *Phoenix . Not sure.
    14 Houston Cannot trade, no 2012 pick (unless the Knicks finish in 5th worst group.)
    15 Indiana . Potential, not sure what it would take.
    16 Philadelphia Open. Likely tied to Nocioni's contract coming with it which was reaffirmed at Philly mgmt exit interviews.
    17 New York Need bodies cheap to go with their big names. Lots of them. Besides cannot trade 1st rounders for 4yrs.
    18 *Washington see above. If trading a pick, this would be the more likely one.
    19 *Charlotte This pick could be purchased imo.
    20 *Minnesota See above. This pick is very likely achievable.
    21 Portland They need role players to complement the salaries.
    22 Denver The have $40M in 8 players, want to extend Nene, and at exit stated they want to resign Afflalo and Chandler. KMart wants to re-sign (would obviously be for less). They need cheap labour to go along.
    23 *Houston If Biyombo is truly still around at this point, they take him and don't trade the pick.
    24 Oklahoma Cty Have a solid core group, can afford to bring along a player, but more likely want more vets to complement. Could be gotten.
    25 Boston $72M tied up in 8 players(!) and may use Restriction on Green to keep a very able body. They NEED cheap labour. Big time. (Emphasis on big as they do not have a proper C anymore since the Oneal's cannot stay healthy.)
    26 Dallas Who knows with Cuban. Has been a willing trade partner with BC so possible. Need a min. of 4 more players and over the cap so highly likely they keep this pick (only one they have this draft).
    27 New Jersey Need bodies.
    28 Chicago Probably keeping their 3 picks to fill out their roster. Strong team (obviously) and can afford to develop players.
    29 San Antonio Strong scouting department often picks up hidden gems, not always but often. Need a replacement for Duncan, not going to get it here or via a trade for this pick.
    30 Chicago See above.
    31 *Miami No. Non-guaranteed contract for an almost 1st round pick.
    32 Cleveland Doubt it. See CLE picks. Non-guaranteed contract for an almost 1st round pick.
    33 *Detroit Possible.
    34 Washington Possible. They need some experience on the team. After a top5 pick hard to see what they want for such a young team (outside Lewis).
    35 Sacramento I expect they hold onto this one, but if they are willing to part with a top pick, why not this one?
    Last edited by Maleko; Sat Apr 30, 2011, 10:55 AM.

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    • #3
      Toronto's pick still hope for DWilliams or KIrving. (with SAC and TOR picks, high chance one can get in top 2)
      Minny pick#2 - trade Calderon for Flynn and 20th pick? (Faried/Biyombo/Nolan Smith) Hell could buy this pick.
      SAC - Trade Bargnani for Thompson, and pick? (take Kanter, Kemba/BKnight if no Irving)
      PHilly - TPE for Nocioni and pick.
      Charlotte - Buy 19th pick (Faried/Biyombo/Nolan Smith) Could do TPE for Diaw and 9th overall (Burks?). Not sure I am up for Diaw though.
      If we do these and get 5th, 16th, 19th and 20th picks along with our 3rd...(IF Diaw instead of Nocioni, then 3,5,9,19,20)

      If we pull off a few of these above, then (Kyrie scenario):
      PG: KIrving(4), Bayless(3), Flynn(3)
      SG: Derozan(2.6), Barbosa(7.1), T Honeycutt(1.5).
      SF: JJ(1.8), Nocioni(6.6), Kleiza(4.6)
      PF: ED(2), Amir(5.5), Faried(1.5)
      C: Kanter(4), Biyombo(1.5), JThompson(3)
      Salary: $51.7M with $7.1 coming off(Barbosa), and team options on Nocioni, JJ, Bayless, Flynn, JThompson (another $17.4M). 2012 draft SF? If can trade Barbosa/free up money chase an established C?
      or
      PG: KIrving(4), Bayless(3), Flynn(3)
      SG: Derozan(2.6), Burks(2), Barbosa(7.1)
      SF: Diaw(9), JJ(1.8), Kleiza(4.6)
      PF: ED(2), Amir(5.5), Faried(1.5)
      C: Kanter(4), Biyombo(1.5), JThompson(3)
      Salary: $54.6M with $16.1 coming off(Diaw/Barbosa), and team options on JJ, Bayless, Flynn, JThompson (another $10.8M). 2012 draft SF? If can trade Barbosa/Diaw/free up money to chase an established C?

      Both cases young teams to grow together (assess who fits and doesn't as well) and (very) salary friendly.
      BC likes interchangeable players: Burks PG/SG; Diaw everywhere, Derozan, Honeycutt SG/SF; Kleiza SF/PF, ED, Biyombo, JThompson PF/C.

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      • #4
        DWilliams Scenario:
        Toronto's pick still hope for DWilliams or KIrving. (with SAC and TOR picks, high chance one can get in top 2)
        Minny pick#2 - trade Calderon for Flynn and 20th pick? (Faried/Biyombo/Nolan Smith) Hell could buy this pick.
        SAC - Trade Bargnani for Thompson, and pick? (take Kanter, Kemba/BKnight if no Irving)
        PHilly - TPE for Nocioni and pick.
        Charlotte - Buy 19th pick (Faried/Biyombo/Nolan Smith) Could do TPE for Diaw and 9th overall (Burks?). Not sure I am up for Diaw though.
        If we do these and get 5th, 16th, 19th and 20th picks along with our 3rd...(IF Diaw instead of Nocioni, then 3,5,9,19,20)

        If we pull off a few of these above, then:
        PG: Bayless(3), Nolan Smith (1.5), Flynn(3)
        SG: Derozan(2.6), Barbosa(7.1), T Honeycutt(1.5).
        SF: DWilliams(4), JJ(1.8), Nocioni(6.6), Kleiza(4.6)
        PF: ED(2), Amir(5.5)
        C: Kanter(4), Biyombo(1.5), JThompson(3)
        Salary: $51.7M with $7.1 coming off(Barbosa), and team options on Nocioni, JJ, Bayless, Flynn, JThompson (another $17.4M). 2012 draft SF? If can trade Barbosa(Clippers/Minny/SAC?)/free up money chase an established C?
        or
        PG: Bayless(3), Nolan Smith(1.5), Flynn(3)
        SG: Derozan(2.6), Burks(2), Barbosa(7.1)
        SF: DWilliams(4), Diaw(9), JJ(1.8), Kleiza(4.6)
        PF: ED(2), Amir(5.5)
        C: Kanter(4), Biyombo(1.5), JThompson(3)
        Salary: $54.6M with $16.1 coming off(Diaw/Barbosa), and team options on JJ, Bayless, Flynn, JThompson (another $10.8M). 2012 draft SF? If can trade Barbosa(Clippers, Minny, SAC?)/Diaw/free up money to chase an established C?

        Both cases young teams to grow together (assess who fits and doesn't as well) and (very) salary friendly.
        BC likes interchangeable players: NSmith, Burks PG/SG; Derozan, Honeycutt SG/SF; DWilliams, Diaw, Kleiza SF/PF, ED, Biyombo, JThompson PF/C.

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        • #5
          I can't remember where but there were comments about how the Raptors management do not want more than one rookie next year. They feel they are young enough.

          My perspective would be to acquire as many assets with value as possible and see what opportunities arise down the road. OKC and BOS did this.

          There is no guaranteed successful way to rebuild - OKC and BOS took different routes to get to where they are today. Some might say OKC is a better model but that is forgetting the history of the last three years in Boston (NBA Championship, 2nd round, NBA Finals) and only looking forward. Boston has won a championship and their window is certainly closing but it has been a great 4 years for their fans. OKC has not anything yet but make the playoffs yet they have a 10-15 window that is wide open.

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          • #6
            By the way Maleko, nice work on compiling the draft pick information with your thoughts.

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            • #7
              Matt52 wrote: View Post
              I can't remember where but there were comments about how the Raptors management do not want more than one rookie next year. They feel they are young enough.

              My perspective would be to acquire as many assets with value as possible and see what opportunities arise down the road. OKC and BOS did this.

              There is no guaranteed successful way to rebuild - OKC and BOS took different routes to get to where they are today. Some might say OKC is a better model but that is forgetting the history of the last three years in Boston (NBA Championship, 2nd round, NBA Finals) and only looking forward. Boston has won a championship and their window is certainly closing but it has been a great 4 years for their fans. OKC has not anything yet but make the playoffs yet they have a 10-15 window that is wide open.
              It was BC that said that, and yes fully aware and I believe we have spoken on this on perhaps the Bargnani trade thread. This is more a what would I do, and if they don't bring back BC, the no more rookies may not be the 'new way'. If Embry runs the draft as some ridiculous rumours insist, then this is highly likely scenario.

              Matt52 wrote: View Post
              By the way Maleko, nice work on compiling the draft pick information with your thoughts.
              Thanks man.

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              • #8
                Maleko wrote: View Post
                It was BC that said that, and yes fully aware and I believe we have spoken on this on perhaps the Bargnani trade thread. This is more a what would I do, and if they don't bring back BC, the no more rookies may not be the 'new way'. If Embry runs the draft as some ridiculous rumours insist, then this is highly likely scenario.
                Personally I would go partially this way, pursuing more an established C, (which BC has stated he wants to do as well), and grabbing depth in the draft. I would love to see a lineup (taking into account current roster etc of course) of:

                PG: KIrving, Bayless, Flynn
                SG: Derozan, Burks, Weems
                SF: JJ, Nocioni, Kleiza (with the 2012 draft pick being Gilchrest/Mcadoo/Barnes/Miller)
                PF: ED, Amir
                C: TChandler, Biyombo, JThompson
                This would still be in the $54M range assuming as much as $12M to Chandler, and a potential of $15.6M on options after next season. Time to see if Biyombo is something or not, safety net with Thompson. I would even like getting yet another PG as long term serviceable backup in Nolan Smith, leaving us set at all positions, although I would like even more protection at the 5.

                This lineup is definitely possible.

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                • #9
                  No Nocioni i hate that guy.

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                  • #10
                    Raptors_ wrote: View Post
                    No Nocioni i hate that guy.
                    Actually fair point when reviewing the picks, do not need to get the Philly pick (the only reason to do the Nocioni trade) and therefore reduce the overall salary by another $6.6M. This allows us money to chase a Wilson Chandler.

                    EDIT: which would yield us a roster of:
                    PG: KIrving, Bayless, Flynn
                    SG: Derozan, Burks, Weems
                    SF: JJ, Wilson Chandler, Kleiza
                    PF: ED, Amir
                    C: TChandler, Biyombo, JThompson
                    And less than $54M in salary. As team grows up in the world, talent assessments can be made, but more importantly there is money to re-up players as they come to the end of their rookie deals. Players like Flynn and JThompson can fall away/be traded and replaced with upcoming draft picks if the others ahead of them perform.
                    Last edited by Maleko; Tue May 3, 2011, 12:43 PM.

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                    • #11
                      There is actually a legit shot of trading Bargnani for the Timberwolves #1 pick. They already have Beasley and Williams is the same player, plus they're so high on Rubio I don't see them drafting Irving. They probably will trade their pick.

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                      • #12
                        dballa21 wrote: View Post
                        There is actually a legit shot of trading Bargnani for the Timberwolves #1 pick. They already have Beasley and Williams is the same player, plus they're so high on Rubio I don't see them drafting Irving. They probably will trade their pick.
                        Or just take Kanter to play alongside KLove.

                        Until the lottery in a couple of weeks, this Minny #1 pick and Raps #3 is all moot. I have posted elsewhere, the positioning is all up in the air: it is MORE likely Minny does not end up with the first overall pick than they do. Since current format went into effect in 1990, the 5th worst has won the draft the most times(5), followed by 3rd(4), 2nd(4), and then 1st(twice and one time was a tied for worst record). 4th worst record has never won top pick in this format.

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                        • #13
                          Maleko wrote: View Post
                          DWilliams Scenario:
                          Toronto's pick still hope for DWilliams or KIrving. (with SAC and TOR picks, high chance one can get in top 2)
                          Minny pick#2 - trade Calderon for Flynn and 20th pick? (Faried/Biyombo/Nolan Smith) Hell could buy this pick.
                          SAC - Trade Bargnani for Thompson, and pick? (take Kanter, Kemba/BKnight if no Irving)
                          PHilly - TPE for Nocioni and pick.
                          Charlotte - Buy 19th pick (Faried/Biyombo/Nolan Smith) Could do TPE for Diaw and 9th overall (Burks?). Not sure I am up for Diaw though.
                          If we do these and get 5th, 16th, 19th and 20th picks along with our 3rd...(IF Diaw instead of Nocioni, then 3,5,9,19,20)

                          If we pull off a few of these above, then:
                          PG: Bayless(3), Nolan Smith (1.5), Flynn(3)
                          SG: Derozan(2.6), Barbosa(7.1), T Honeycutt(1.5).
                          SF: DWilliams(4), JJ(1.8), Nocioni(6.6), Kleiza(4.6)
                          PF: ED(2), Amir(5.5)
                          C: Kanter(4), Biyombo(1.5), JThompson(3)
                          Salary: $51.7M with $7.1 coming off(Barbosa), and team options on Nocioni, JJ, Bayless, Flynn, JThompson (another $17.4M). 2012 draft SF? If can trade Barbosa(Clippers/Minny/SAC?)/free up money chase an established C?
                          or
                          PG: Bayless(3), Nolan Smith(1.5), Flynn(3)
                          SG: Derozan(2.6), Burks(2), Barbosa(7.1)
                          SF: DWilliams(4), Diaw(9), JJ(1.8), Kleiza(4.6)
                          PF: ED(2), Amir(5.5)
                          C: Kanter(4), Biyombo(1.5), JThompson(3)
                          Salary: $54.6M with $16.1 coming off(Diaw/Barbosa), and team options on JJ, Bayless, Flynn, JThompson (another $10.8M). 2012 draft SF? If can trade Barbosa(Clippers, Minny, SAC?)/Diaw/free up money to chase an established C?

                          Both cases young teams to grow together (assess who fits and doesn't as well) and (very) salary friendly.
                          BC likes interchangeable players: NSmith, Burks PG/SG; Derozan, Honeycutt SG/SF; DWilliams, Diaw, Kleiza SF/PF, ED, Biyombo, JThompson PF/C.
                          How many times has Colangelo bought a pick in the first round? I don't think 3 million is worth Faried or even Nolan Smith.
                          And Flynn for Calderon is horrible value for us.

                          Why would Sacramento do a Bargnani for Thompson and their pick deal? It looks good from a Toronto standpoint, but nosomuch from a Kings vantage point. I'm sure the Kings would perhaps do a Udrih and Garcia for Bargnani deal, but I don't think they would be so inclined as to include their 1st.

                          Nice dreams though.

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                          • #14
                            MangoKid wrote: View Post
                            How many times has Colangelo bought a pick in the first round? I don't think 3 million is worth Faried or even Nolan Smith.
                            And Flynn for Calderon is horrible value for us.

                            Why would Sacramento do a Bargnani for Thompson and their pick deal? It looks good from a Toronto standpoint, but nosomuch from a Kings vantage point. I'm sure the Kings would perhaps do a Udrih and Garcia for Bargnani deal, but I don't think they would be so inclined as to include their 1st.

                            Nice dreams though.
                            Sacramento has come out repeatedly and said they are shopping their pick, tried to trade JThompson, OCasspi and FGarcia at the deadline; they need another scorer to spread the floor for TEvans, DCousins can pair up with Bargnani. They have large salary cap room, and now that they are staying in SAC have said they will spend. Even after this deal they have tons of $ to spend. I don't see it as so far fetched, but then again I am sitting in an armchair.

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                            • #15
                              MangoKid wrote: View Post
                              How many times has Colangelo bought a pick in the first round? I don't think 3 million is worth Faried or even Nolan Smith.
                              And Flynn for Calderon is horrible value for us.
                              The Flynn deal is more about salary than skills, and we get their second pick which is the point here. I also prefer Calderon, but $ and pick is what is going on here.

                              As for BC buying picks, this is more what I would do, he has said he wouldn't look to get another pick for this year (the thread is about what 2011 picks we COULD go for), and I believe you pay up to $3M for a pick, not necessarily the full $3M. I could be wrong there though.

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