boston had a big three but they had a team around them two and there big three played like a team, wade and lebron still don't know how to work together and the heat are effectively a four man team wade lebron bosh and chalmers has been playing well the rest of the heat are non existent. you cant just grab 3 amazing players and tell them to play, much threw the finals you could tlel the heat had no offensive plan all they did was pass the ball to lebron or wade, i think coach erik spolstra and the heats lack of a true team let them down. boston had amazing role players to go along with the big 3 heat don't have any good role players
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Can't agree more. Dirk has been there 12 years and Terry how many? I was worried that if the Heat won easily, it would create a two-tiered league where all young stars colluded to play together. At least if Miami wins it next year, they at least had some adversity to overcome (not a whole lot) but at least the title wasn't just handed to them.
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jeff_hostetler wrote: View PostA nine-time all-defensive player who has lost a step or two is still a good defensive player. It's not speed that makes a good defender, but awareness, toughness and effort.
However, Kidd has felt the effects of father time and it has affected his defensive game compared to 3-4 seasons ago.
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ejah wrote: View PostI'm not saying Bargs = Dirk for a second, but perhaps a Mavs title could improve the value of bargs on the open market. Their skill sets are undeniably similar and perhaps other gm's would be more interested in accepting Bargnani's defensive liabilities in a deal after seeing what dirk did to pretty much everyone in these playoffs
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Matt52 wrote: View PostI agree all those things are extremely important in defense and having those traits certainly overcome lack of athletic ability.
However, Kidd has felt the effects of father time and it has affected his defensive game compared to 3-4 seasons ago.
The point remains - at this stage of their careers, a number of the Mavs key players are not good INDIVIDUAL defensive players .. yet the team has a very good defensive scheme / result due to coaching and the key contibutions of a couple of defenders.
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I do think that the result has the potential to change the minds of some stars. To me, having multiple superstars on one team goes against their nature and forces them all to play out of character. Each of the "big 3" have been the alpha dog from high school to NCAA and into the NBA, where they knew they were "the man" who would be expected to dominate the ball and carry their teams. Suddenly they have to try and share the ball around and not dominate the play, which goes completely against the on-court instincts they've relied on their entire lives.
Other superstar players are bound to look at the results and re-think the idea of creating their own "big 2" or "big 3", and concentrate more on how to build the best team with themselves as "the man".Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Mon Jun 13, 2011, 11:00 AM.
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mountio wrote: View PostThis is exactly my point - Kidd might have great instincts and BBall IQ - but his lateral quickness is completely shot at this point in his career. There was a clear defensive strategic switch part way through the series to put Marion (the better defender) on Wade instead of Lebron, as Kidd simply could not handle Wade and the Mavs were suffering big time as a result.
The point remains - at this stage of their careers, a number of the Mavs key players are not good INDIVIDUAL defensive players .. yet the team has a very good defensive scheme / result due to coaching and the key contibutions of a couple of defenders.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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mountio wrote: View PostThis is exactly my point - Kidd might have great instincts and BBall IQ - but his lateral quickness is completely shot at this point in his career. There was a clear defensive strategic switch part way through the series to put Marion (the better defender) on Wade instead of Lebron, as Kidd simply could not handle Wade and the Mavs were suffering big time as a result.
The point remains - at this stage of their careers, a number of the Mavs key players are not good INDIVIDUAL defensive players .. yet the team has a very good defensive scheme / result due to coaching and the key contibutions of a couple of defenders.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostI do think that the result has the potential to change the minds of some stars. To me, having multiple superstars on one team goes against their nature and forces them all to play out of character. Each of the "big 3" have been the alpha dog from high school to NCAA and into the NBA, where they knew they were "the man" who would be expected to dominate the ball and carry their teams. Suddenly they have to try and share the ball around and not dominate the play, which goes completely against the on-court instincts they've relied on their entire lives.
Other superstar players are bound to look at the results and re-think the idea of creating their own "big 2" or "big 3", and concentrate more on how to build the best team with themselves as "the man".
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jeff_hostetler wrote: View PostOnly thing I saw in the Finals that applies to the Raps is that Barea absolutely killed the Heat, and it made me think someone like Kemba Walker's got a real shot to do something special in the league. And Walker isn't really even that small
Maybe the way they ran the zone showed that it can be a primary defensive option if you have the coach to teach it properly and the players to carry it out the same.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostI do think that the result has the potential to change the minds of some stars. To me, having multiple superstars on one team goes against their nature and forces them all to play out of character. Each of the "big 3" have been the alpha dog from high school to NCAA and into the NBA, where they knew they were "the man" who would be expected to dominate the ball and carry their teams. Suddenly they have to try and share the ball around and not dominate the play, which goes completely against the on-court instincts they've relied on their entire lives.
Other superstar players are bound to look at the results and re-think the idea of creating their own "big 2" or "big 3", and concentrate more on how to build the best team with themselves as "the man".
Actually, I think that what the heat have done more than anything else would solidify the idea of star players teaming up. They did make the finals after all and had the chance to compete for a ring. That opportunity has been dominated by the Lakers and Boston for the last 3 years because they have "Super Teams" themselves.
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Mediumcore wrote: View Post[/B]
Actually, I think that what the heat have done more than anything else would solidify the idea of star players teaming up. They did make the finals after all and had the chance to compete for a ring. That opportunity has been dominated by the Lakers and Boston for the last 3 years because they have "Super Teams" themselves.
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