Until he gets here, has some games under his belt and everyone sees he's not a max money player. What then?
EDIT: Think of it as a free agent acquisition, in which we would have to overpay anyway. Only this way, we're not bogged down for 5 years.
Last edited by Nilanka; Thu Jun 7th, 2012 at 11:49 AM.
I mean one of the biggest ideas hammered home daily is: "let's get rid of such and such because we don't like the Raptors paying him." Or "I don't like such and such because he makes $10M. If he made $5M then I would have no problem with him."
When a guy is making 30% of the cap number there are high expectations. I don't believe Gay can meet the expectations that most Raptors fans will expect at that price tag... And in general we're not a loyal bunch when times are tough.
That is at the end of the contract. I should have been more specific. Most contracts have raises - under old CBA 10% annual if I recall correct. Gay's contract would have started at $12M.
Year 1: $12M
Year 2: $13.2M
Year 3: $14.5M
Year 4: $16M
Year 5: $17.6M
3 through 5 are what matters now though.
Apollo, you're absolutely right about fan perception. Regardless of salary and/or production, someone will find a way to complain about something. That's just the nature of the beast. But I don't think it should be factored into team-building decisions.
At the end of the day, I'm fairly confident in saying that a team with Nash and Gay would be better than any past 4 years of Raptors basketball. That alone, might be enough to hinder the unrealistic expectations.
It's a bad salary, for sure. But I think it's a mistake to care.
It's a cliche, but it's not your money. If the player fits a need and helps the team improve, I don't care how much he's making. The only issue I see with player salaries is if they affect the lockerroom -- player X makes more, but plays/produces less than player Y; player Y gets pissy. Then you have a problem. But if the team is winning, who cares how much the individuals are making, from a fan's standpoint?
I wouldn't blink at taking on Gay's contract, because I think it immediately improves the team at a key position. That said, I'd still prefer Batum for 2/3 the price. But I understand the interest in Gay, since it's a move they can make prior to the draft and free agency and ticks off the #1 box for this off-season, allowing them to go hard after either Batum or Nash in July.
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not really concerned about Rudy's contract now, its when he's done and in the middle of his prime when he wants that one last long term huge contract that i worry about.
Really, the same excuses you've heard over the last 2 years....
That's all the Raptors and we should be talking about.
But, the best thing I can think of is that we aren't going through another Bosh era as long as Bryan is here. Also, Gay just seems smarter than Bosh. As well he has better work ethic than the current best player on team.
A splash needs to be made here and I will guarantee that the 8th pick will not make one big enough. Look at all the guys we are waiting on now.
Derozan and Johnson are heading into year four. Amir is heading into year 7. You seriously want to add another to the mix.
Gay is a proven starter, we have 2 of those and we need at least 4. Gay or Iguodala for that matter are #3 if acquired.
If all this is merely about getting an impact wing for three years then wouldn't Iggy be more bang for your buck?(well, two years in this case) You wouldn't need to cough up a lotto pick and he would also be great next to Nash.
Has it gotten so bad that the Raptors need to burn $18M/yr and a mid lotto pick for a "proven starter"?
I would assume that the 8th pick would be in play for Iggy as well.
I would not assume that. Iggy is not a real core piece going forward for them. Everyone knows it. His role has diminished year after year. In a time where cap space means a lot more than in the past, you'd be surprised what it takes to land Iggy in my opinion. Right now the 76ers are around $9M below cap. With Iggy out of the way they could be huge players in free agency.
According to the tv via espn it is and I'm fine with Iggy. Gay might be easier to get and might be a little better. But, hey buddy if you are thinking Iguodala count me in.
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