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  • #16
    Hellgate wrote: View Post
    As crazy as it sounds. Miami has the same dilemma with Wade as the Raps do with Bosh. After this season they could loose Wade if they can't sign the right players. It's all a big risk.
    I'll play along with you if you come up with a reliable article even hinting at that.

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    • #17
      Arsenalist wrote: View Post
      I'll play along with you if you come up with a reliable article even hinting at that.
      You here it over and over, all the time, in all sports, athletes want to be in the best situation to win first and formost.
      Given the state of the economy, the salary cap will most likely be lowered next season making it even more difficult to sign FA's ,especailly any team who want's to sign a max player.
      The way the landscape is looking it's going to be in the best interest of the big time FA's to resign with their respective clubs.

      Seemingly, the only way Miami can grant Wade's expressed wish to play with another elite player, is for them to pull off a sign and trade. The only valuble trade piece Miami has is Beasly who is still a couple years away from being a star. The rest are expiring contracts. The way Pat Riley talks about Beasly, it sounds like he thinks he's as valuable as Wade and essential to the teams future success.
      Maimi could choose to trade all those expiring contracts and stack there team with a bunch of decent players but not the type of star that Wade and the rest their franchise is hoping for. There's only a few teams who are over the cap and accually care that they are, New Orleans, Indiana, Golden State, and may be one or two others.
      None of those teams want to give up anyone of importance to get under the cap and if they do give up someone good, they want fair value in return. Expiring contracts plus prospects or draft picks and not the James Jones' of the world.

      Assuming that all the big FA's this summer will either be traded before the dead line or resign with the clubs they're with, all of whom are on good teams with the potential of becoming better. There simply won't be a big star player for the Heat and the Knicks to bid for. They'll have to settle for the T-Macs and TJ Fords.
      Then it's also about signing players who can play together and win. Detroit broke the bank last summer and are suffering from it. Joe Dumars signed those players based on all the facts I just talked about, none of them can play together.

      The next 20 games are going to determine the Heats season this year. Up until now they've had one of the easier schedules. During the next 20 games 14 are on the road and six back-to-backs. All the other teams from 5th place on are playing alot better and their schedules are now alot easier. The Heat might not make the playoffs this year. Whether or not that will matter to them, I don't know.
      They can live and most likely die with Dwayne Wade or try and get a equal return for him now before he does demand a trade.
      In regaurds to Bosh, Lebron, Stoudemire and other big FA's even if they gaurantee their teams they're going to re-up. It won't be announced until the last day of free agency. Just look at all the attention there generating by staying quiet.
      Last edited by Hellgate; Wed Jan 20, 2010, 03:23 PM.

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      • #18
        There have been several articles in the Miami Herald and Sun-Sentinel Times on the possibility of Wade leaving this summer. There have also been several articles in the Chicago press also. I remember being very surprised at some poll results too, on where Wade will land this summer, by Heat fans because of how negative they were about Wade staying (which I think is very likely).

        Not as much on the national level, ESPN and stuff like that, and not as much in other cities ... but there's definitely a lot of talk in Miami about this.

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        The main difference, though, is that the Miami Heat are actually able to improve their roster this summer. They have a massive amount of cap space and are a great free agent destination. They'll be able to convince Wade to stay easily enough.

        In contrast, the Raptors have hardly any flexibility to improve their roster this summer.

        The fear in Miami is half-brained and irrational ... while the fear in Toronto is legitimate and should be growing given Colangelo's interest/willingness to do a sign and trade which negates their only significant advantage (bird rights, extra money).
        Last edited by Dave; Wed Jan 20, 2010, 03:44 PM.
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        • #19
          Hellgate wrote: View Post
          The only valuable trade piece Miami has is Beasley who is still a couple years away from being a star. The rest are expiring contracts. The way Pat Riley talks about Beasley, it sounds like he thinks he's as valuable as Wade and essential to the teams future success.
          Pat Riley will trade Michael Beasley in a heart beat if it lands him a top talent like a Chris Bosh.

          He's just hesitant to do so now, in the middle of the season, because he feels he has the opportunity to sign that top talent without giving up Beasley. Why give up a young talent in a trade when you may be able to pry away the player for free during the summer? Pat Riley said all of this either towards the end of last season or during the summer.

          Although, despite his protests to that end, I fully believe he'd part with Beasley right now to land Chris Bosh. That would go a long way to proving to Dwyane Wade that his future lies in Miami, to improving their current team and being able to make a run in the playoffs, and gives them a much better shot at retaining Bosh in FA and completing their other FA goals.

          Pat Riley has always been the type of GM that believes in acquiring the best talent possible and building from there. He won't hesitate to give up Beasley this summer in a sign and trade. He won't let Beasley stand in the way from him building a dynamic duo (LeBron, Bosh) that instantly makes the Heat a contender. Just like he didn't hesitate to give up Lamar Odom and Caron Butler for Shaq. Or to give up Jamal Mashburn for Eddie Jones. Or Glen Rice for Alonzo Mourning.

          Pat Riley's eye is always on the title and based around the belief that your best players decide how good a chance you have at that.
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          • #20
            Dave wrote: View Post
            Pat Riley will trade Michael Beasley in a heart beat if it lands him a top talent like a Chris Bosh.

            He's just hesitant to do so now, in the middle of the season, because he feels he has the opportunity to sign that top talent without giving up Beasley. Why give up a young talent in a trade when you may be able to pry away the player for free during the summer? Pat Riley said all of this either towards the end of last season or during the summer.

            Although, despite his protests to that end, I fully believe he'd part with Beasley right now to land Chris Bosh. That would go a long way to proving to Dwyane Wade that his future lies in Miami, to improving their current team and being able to make a run in the playoffs, and gives them a much better shot at retaining Bosh in FA and completing their other FA goals.

            Pat Riley has always been the type of GM that believes in acquiring the best talent possible and building from there. He won't hesitate to give up Beasley this summer in a sign and trade. He won't let Beasley stand in the way from him building a dynamic duo (LeBron, Bosh) that instantly makes the Heat a contender. Just like he didn't hesitate to give up Lamar Odom and Caron Butler for Shaq. Or to give up Jamal Mashburn for Eddie Jones. Or Glen Rice for Alonzo Mourning.

            Pat Riley's eye is always on the title and based around the belief that your best players decide how good a chance you have at that.
            Pat Riley's eye has painted himself and his team into a corner.
            By trading away all the talent the team had, to win that one title, has guaranteed that the team will be just average, and has been average and at time's (during Wade's injury) horrible.
            Making that trade for Shaq was easy. You don't need to be a brain surgeon to figure that one out.
            Sure it guaranteed them a title but it also assured them they wouldn't get back there.
            Half the teams in the league had the pieces to move for Shaq, but where smart enough to resist and plan for the future.
            Pheonix also also had aspirations of Shaq becoming their ticket to a championship. We all know how good that turned out. However, The Suns, after giving up Marion still had a bunch of talent to bounce back if things didn't work.
            Now the only hope for the Heat of becoming a contender again is through free agency.
            Well if that happends it'll will be the first in history, a team built a contender strickly out of FA's.
            Unless they are vitualy given a high caliber player like the Lakers got with Gasol the future of the heat looks pretty grim.
            Last edited by Hellgate; Wed Jan 20, 2010, 07:03 PM.

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