Jennings is already a great scorer at 22, and he is a game-breaker, he makes plays that few guys can make... he is one of the streakiest shooters in the league. He probably wouldn't make the Raptors any better this year, but going forward he's gotta be the obvious choice here. If he is available, he could help take the raptors to another level (He's had the bucks on his back all year). Love Caldy, but he won't win a championship with T.O.
The Bucks are wiling to make Brandon Jennings available via trade "for the right price". Could the Raps really look at this seriously? What's it going to take, Ed Davis + a pick. He kind of intrigues me. That and the DeRozan connection could prove to be very interesting. I bet they're going to dangle Cap'n Jack with him. I think he could be an interesting piece to the PG puzzle of the future
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They could do Davis & a future 1st round pick for Jennings. Or they could even do Amir & Bayless & a future 1st round pick for SJax & Jennings. SJax's contract is expiring next year and he would be a good veteran SG off the bench, assuming Barbosa gets traded. It doesn't exactly fit with BC's stated goal of not taking salary back, but SJax would only be making a few million more than Amir would be next season, so it's not a bad price to pay for acquiring a PG-of-the-future type player.
But what to do with Calderon? Interesting dilemma... could Calderon and Jennings co-exist for 1 season???
i don't want jackson. yucky yucky yucky. i am also not a big fan of jennings but if we are able to move jose for him then im good to go.
i think the other players listed here are too valuable to our future to send for a shoot first point guard who often just sends up a 3 ball like white chocolate.
it would be nice to see what casey could do with him but jennings has shown he does things his way. with what we are setting up i would much rather a pass first point guard. the pick and roll is a tried tested and true way to win a championship.
trade barbosa and 2013 1st rounder for BJ
I don't have anything against Jennings per se, but I don't think you give up next year's first round pick for him. Talent for talent. That pick could be valuable in this rebuilding stage, if indeed the Raps are going to be a potential lottery pick again next season. I don't think Jennings has shown himself to be valuable enough to alter the cap flexibility plans etc. by taking on a very bad SJ contract along with both of their perceived issues with coaches and fitting in to systems etc. Seems like a pretty big flyer.
The lineup could look something like this:
C: Valanciunas, Gray
PF: Bargnani, Amir, Kleiza
SF: Barnes/MKG, JJ, Kleiza
SG: DeRozan, Batum?!?!?!, Forbes
PG: Jennings, Calderon, Kabongo??
That looks like it has the potential to be a playoff team in the Eastern Conference next season, meaning the 2013 1st round pick wouldn't be that bad to give up along with Davis & Bayless for Jennings. Giving up that much for Jennings, would mean that I wouldn't want to take on a bad contract (ie: SJax) as well.
So lineup would be.
PG: Jennings, Calderon, (Kabongo)
SG: Derozan, (Beal/Lamb), Forbes
SF: Batum, JJ, Kleiza
PF: Bargnani, Johnson
C: Valanciunas, Gray.
But I would rather see something like...
PG: Jennings, Calderon, Kabongo
SG: Derozan, Free agent, Forbes
SF: Gilchrist, JJ, Kleiza
PF: Bargnani, Johnson
C: Valanciunas, Gray
EDIT* Just wanna point out, our bench looks like our current starting lineup without Bargnani.
Last edited by ReubenJRD; Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 02:12 AM.
I'm okay with moving amir or davis + Bayless + 2013 1st rounder for the "pg of the future", but i'm not sold on jennings. To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of his game, but what I have seen is a very similar game to bayless. I do think that jennings is a definite upgrade over bayless, but i'm not sure i'd want him over calderon for the next two seasons.
The main reason? JV. I watched A LOT of JV game tape since he's been drafted, not highlights but full games. His defense won't be an issue coming into the league (IMO).
It'll be his offensive that will be slow to develop. I do think he has some tools offensively: He's a great free throw shooter so i think he could develop an elbow or baseline jumper, but right now, they aren't really part of his arsenal. He is most effective rolling to the rim (either out of the pick and role, or on a straight cut), catching the ball above his head, keeping it there for a step or two, and finishing at the rim. He needs a point guard who is REALLY good at the P'n'R, and passing into the paint in order to be effective offensively.
If the sample we got from bargs is an indicator of how he'll play for the rest of his contract then I want him getting the ball in his hands a lot as well. I'd still like derozan to get a lot of set plays run for him as well.
I wouldn't be angry if he jennings trade went done as described above, but I don't think it'll lead to the kind of ball movement this team is going to need to be playoff calibre offensively.
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No Jennings for me please. I agree with much of what's been said, good and bad, but fall on the side of those who think Jennings may not be anything more than a selfish PG. Connections (to Demar) are never good enough reasons to acquire somebody. We need, as most teams do, a pass first PG. No team has ever won a championship with a shoot-first PG (that I can recall). The closest is the Pistons, but Thomas, while being a scorer, was hardly a total ball hog. Jennings shortcomings I think are showcased by how the Bucks tried to build around him and Bogut. You have players like Jax, Dunleavy, Delfino, Livingston...all players with decent passing skill. In addition, some of those guys replaced black holes like Maggette and Salmons. Clearly with them and Jennings the team didn't move the ball around more and they were hoping maybe some more team oriented guys would help. This is not something I want. I don't want the team to have to try so hard to hide weaknesses. We all know that doesn't work and the only real solution is to have the player step up(hopefully Bargs from now on) or get rid of him. Maybe a team can win with a score first PG, but even then it would have to be a real star, like Rose (and you could argue he's a decent distributor who's still getting better) and Westbrook (not a natural PG, so a bit unfair to lay the same criticism on him).
I think Jennings has a lot of potential. I'd hope Colangelo is thinking of a way to make a deal happen. The kid's just 22 years old. He has plenty of room to mature.
Raps fans tend to assume that there are just 2 types of point guards (i.e. "pass first" like Calderon, or "shoot first" like Bayless), but Jennings seems like a happy median. He can light it up when he wants to, and is still a good distributor. Let's not underestimate the Casey-factor either. With a little encouraging guidance, there's no reason why Jennings can't become more selective with his shots.
As for Jonas's transition next year, Jennings is perfectly capable of running a pick 'n' roll.
Taking on Jackson's contract doesn't concern me either. As an expiring contract next year, there's a good chance he's traded before next year's deadline.
I'd much rather we don't give up anything for him and go after Dragic in the summer. IMO He's pretty much the same as Jennings but with better court vision. Much better for the future if we don't give up first rounders/depth.
Jennings IMO is on the shoot happy side like Bayless.
FYI, I've merged the three Brandon Jennings threads into one super thread.
They're all essentially covering the same idea.
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