Your arguments are well articulated, but I don't think Memphis moves a bona-fide talent in Gay for the ho-hum guys on our roster. Yes, the pieces fit, but the talent is just not enough to justify the move.
You can't just look at this roster/assets and assume it's a 1-step process to acquire a star talent. A good GM has to be able to look several trades ahead (also why it's good not just judge any trade in a vacuum) and/or find a 3rd or even 4th team to bring into a potential deal, to ensure that assets line-up and fit the needs of each team.
Again Joe Johnson was traded for Anthony Morrow, Jordan Farmar, DeShawn Stevenson, Jordan Williams, Johan Petro and a non lottery pick.
My point is that a star player could be traded for crap, if what they get in return is a cap space, a chance to get out of mediocrity, or to start fresh. Toronto could offer DeMar, Davis, Jose, and 2 2nd round picks. That looks like a pile of crap, but it's a better deal than what Atlanta got for Joe Johnson in my opinion. There are not a lot of teams that would be willing to take on Gay's salary.. and if Memphis does part with him it would be to get out of luxury tax, so they wouldn't want much salary back for him. To trade him for a star then would be difficult since most stars make a lot of money.
I know this is waaaay off topic(feel free to move). But, it seems that a bunch of the raptors are/were in vegas for the summer league. Last i count (well, ed and t-ross are there for summer league) Lowry, Fields, Derozan, Amir(i think) were all there. Are they maybe building they're chemistry early? Hangin out? Havin a mini summer camp. Cuz, most of the guys there are pretty much the core players this season. I'm just sayin that, thats really cool if they are preppin for the seasons months before training camp.
http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/31/an...traded-sixers/According to a source, a trade involving Iguodala “won’t happen” during the off-season. As a result of that, the Sixers’ off-season tinkering to their roster is complete and aside from a few free agents who get invitations to training camp, the team is set.
Well, so much for that plan....
PG: Holliday, Ivey, Wayns
SG: Turner, N.Young
SF: Iggy, Wright, Harkless
PF: T.Young, Allen, Moultrie
C: Hawes, Brown, Vucevic
I'm really not sure how they intend to develop Harkless, unless they plan on using Turner at PG some of the time. Thad Young is more of a tweener PF/SF than a true PF, but I assume that he'll play exclusively at PF now (I could see them wanting an upgrade at starting PF).
I don't think it's a stretch for Iggy to be on the move at the trade deadline. A team to possibly watch/include could be Utah, with their glut of bigs - maybe a guy like Millsap ($8.6M expiring contract) goes to Philly to solidify their starting PF spot. The question is how Toronto can get involved using Calderon ($10.6M expiring) & likely 1 of Amir/Davis or possibly even DeRozan (especially if Fields & Ross have strong seasons), to land Iggy in a multi-team trade.
Let's see how the new ownership of Bell/Rogers changes things. Could be that they don't mind going into the luxury tax to land a big time player. I'm hoping we could get a game changing type of player. Iggy is a nice player, but he's getting up there in age and frankly I don't associate him with winning and he doesn't have the ability to take over a game on his own. Perhaps I'm not being realistic, but at some point the Rap's have got to make a move for a star player if they want to make a serious run in the playoffs.
At the trade deadline, I could see some big names (or more likely just big contracts) being made available. I think a package of Calderon (just a half season of his $10.6M expiring contract, plus Toronto could include up to $3M cash) & Davis (good young PF on expiring contract with 2 team option years) & DeRozan (good young wing on expiring contract with full RFA/Bird rights) would be quite enticing to a team looking to rebuild, retool or free cap space.
If Fields returns to his rookie season form, Ross shows he is worthy of being a lottery pick and Kleiza shows that his injuries are behind him, then I could see DeRozan becoming quite expendable, especially given the fact that he'll be looking for a big payday in the offseason.
Lowry already makes Calderon expendable, plus he could still be signed as an UFA next offseason, to return to Toronto as a $5M veteran backup PG... could be a total win-win trade for Toronto.
Amir already makes Davis expendable (or vice-versa). If Acy shows that he is a legit NBA backup capable of playing spot minutes and if you also consider that a healthy Kleiza could play some minutes at PF in smaller 2nd unit, then one of Amir/Davis becomes even more expendable than they already are.
Calderon & Davis & DeRozan is just over $16.1M in combined salary. When you consider the salary cap trading rule for teams over the cap: Max Incoming Salary = [(total salary going out * 1.25)+$125K], then the Raps could take back a little over $20.26M for those 3 players. It should be a very interesting season, leading up to the trade deadline, especially with the new luxury tax model coming in.
Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Wed Aug 1st, 2012 at 10:27 AM.
Depending on how much of a larger role Paul George plays this year, Granger could be attainable.
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I'm thinking someone with potential to be a all star. I like Lowry as well, but I don't think he's got the ability to take over a game. James Harde and his stupid beard fits the bill imo. I'd be okay with a max offer sent his way.
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