I didn't hear Matt Devlin's Demar is the best mid-range shooting guard in the league comment, but it struck a chord when I read about it. Around the league, how many midrange shooting guards are there anumore? Kobe gets a lot of his points from there, and I guess you can say Wade but most guys are either 3 point shooters or slashers at that positing these days. Looking around, I don't see any reason why Demar isn't top three as a SG who gets most of there points from mid range shooting.
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Is Demar one of the three best midranged shooting guards in the league?
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Using http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.as...3&gp2=0&mins=0
Accounting for all SGs
10-15 ft he ranks 56th in fg%
16-23ft he ranks 26th in fg%
Narrowing down the minutes (using 20+ min)
10-15 ft he ranks 32nd
16-23ft he ranks 19th
Attempts from 10-15 ft he's tied for 6th
Attempts from 16-23ft he's tied for 1st
Quick conclusion - he's one of the 'best' SG in the league at attempting mid range shots. Not even close to being one of the best at making them though
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Craiger wrote: View PostNot even close to being one of the best at making them though
Not really arguing one way or the other, the mid-range shot is a terrible shot to rely on .. but if you can make it work for you, then why not; just providing the facts.
-he's tied for 2nd in makes per game from 16-23 feet, at 2.1 per.
-he's 8th in makes from 10-15 per game.
-most of the guys 'ahead' of him, percentage wise, only attempt 0.1 per game; not really valid statistical evidence.
-League average is 38% from 16-23. Demar hits 41%.
-League average is 42% from 10-15. Demar hits 36%.
If you account for the all the data, I'd say that Demar could be counted among the more profficient mid-range scorers in the game.
BUT with such a small group of guys who actually shoot the mid-range is it really much of an accomplishment to be counted among them?
Regardless, I'm a huge fan of Demars game.Last edited by Joey; Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:03 PM.
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joey_hesketh wrote: View PostA couple things jump out at me from that link you posted that I feel should be included with the stats that you've used.
Not really arguing one way or the other, the mid-range shot is a terrible shot to rely on .. but if you can make it work for you, then why not; just providing the facts.
-he's tied for 2nd in makes per game from 16-23 feet, at 2.1 per.
-he's 8th in makes from 10-15 per game.
-most of the guys 'ahead' of him, percentage wise, only attempt 0.1 per game; not really valid statistical evidence.
-League average is 38% from 16-23. Demar hits 41%.
-League average is 42% from 10-15. Demar hits 36%.
If you account for the all the data, I'd say that Demar could be counted among the more profficient mid-range scorers in the game.
BUT with such a small group of guys who actually shoot the mid-range is it really much of an accomplishment to be counted among them?
Regardless, I'm a huge fan of Demars game.
most of the guys 'ahead' of him, percentage wise, only attempt 0.1 per game; not really valid statistical evidence.
At best one could argue Demar is a better than average at taking one of the worst shots in the game. We are really stretching to find much value in that.
*correction. 3 players shoot 0.1 or less attempts, 5 shoot 0.3 or less and 7 shoot 0.4 or less.
eliminating those he is still ranked 25th on 10-15 footers and 19th on 16-23 footers for those with 20+ min a gameLast edited by Craiger; Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:31 PM.
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I can't help but feel that the bigger question is, "should DeRozan's game be so dependent on the mid-range game?"
I'm even more concerned with all the long 2pt attempts, in addition to the poor 3pt shooting. For a wing so widely regarded for his athetlicism and hops, I would prefer his mid & long range shot attempts/makes to be nowhere near the top of the wing rankings, to be honest.
A good wing combo should have one consistent penetrator (who can finish consistently AND draw fouls) and one above average 3pt shooter. Unfortuantely, I don't see DeRozan being either of these right now.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostI can't help but feel that the bigger question is, "should DeRozan's game be so dependent on the mid-range game?"
I'm even more concerned with all the long 2pt attempts, in addition to the poor 3pt shooting. For a wing so widely regarded for his athetlicism and hops, I would prefer his mid & long range shot attempts/makes to be nowhere near the top of the wing rankings, to be honest.
A good wing combo should have one consistent penetrator (who can finish consistently AND draw fouls) and one above average 3pt shooter. Unfortuantely, I don't see DeRozan being either of these right now.
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I think people need to keep in mind, while having this discussion, that Demar is currently ranked 12th in the Entire League in Free Throws Made and 16th in Attempts.
So I think any talk about how mid-range is all he does, and he's not a slasher, or not good at drawing fouls, is, well, inaccurate in my opinion.Last edited by Joey; Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:58 PM.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostI don't think a mid-range shot is a terrible shot at all.
It's the long 2s that I have a problem with..."the raptors were my fav team growing up"-kevin durant
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knickz wrote: View Postdwayne wade won a scoring tittle taking mid-range j's. derozan could easily score more than 20ppg if he got calls.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostWade is also a better ball-handler enabling him to get into the lane at will.
If DeRozan were to start taking it strong everytime and try to "dunk it on their head", as Jack alluded to, he'd drastically increase his finishing at the rim and trips to the foul line, all while forcing D to sag off him which would result in more open looks.
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