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pesterm1 wrote: View PostAgain, I think if irving misses the RR boards is nothing but rainbows, unicorns and bunny rabbits. Instead he made the shot and now the sky is falling. our fans are Bipolar.
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pesterm1 wrote: View PostAgain, I think if irving misses the RR boards is nothing but rainbows, unicorns and bunny rabbits. Instead he made the shot and now the sky is falling. our fans are Bipolar.
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white men can't jump wrote: View PostGo watch Mike Fratello's breakdown of the play on nba.com. It's on the front page as one of the top 6 stories. Anderson totally misplays, great player or not that Irving is. And FWIW, in the replay Casey is clearly screaming at him to close the gap. I don't care if it's from 50 feet, YOU DO NOT LET THE OTHER TEAM'S BEST PLAYER TAKE AN OPEN 3 PT SHOT FOR THE LAST PLAY OF THE GAME WHEN YOU'RE UP 2, IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE. Would Irving had still hit a shot if Anderson was actually right up on him? Maybe, he is a great player, but he certainly got exactly the shot he wanted and never had a doubt about it in his mind, and the D did nothing to prevent it at all.
A 30 ft jump shot with no defensive pressure is a joke for Irving and a lot of other NBA players. His coach told him to shoot for the win, he knew he was going to take a 3, he walked the ball up, lined up his shot and stepped in to it... swoosh.
The comparison to the Lin play last year are appropriate becuase it was pretty much the exact same play.... and outcome.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostI agree.
A 30 ft jump shot with no defensive pressure is a joke for Irving and a lot of other NBA players. His coach told him to shoot for the win, he knew he was going to take a 3, he walked the ball up, lined up his shot and stepped in to it... swoosh.
The comparison to the Lin play last year are appropriate becuase it was pretty much the exact same play.... and outcome.
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mountio wrote: View PostIve watched this play more than a few times today after watching it live. My reaction is still the same. If a guy is going to hit a 30 ft jumper to win the game .. then so be it .. not a lot you can do. Sure, i buy that given where the clock was and the lack of movement / screens by the other players, you maybe should be a little tighter .. but again, he pulled up from 5 feet beyond the 3 pt line! I dont know the percentages off hand (im sure there is somewhere to track it) .. but I would guess this is a shot that even the best players in the league (Kyrie certainly fits in that bucket) hit 20% of the time. Ill take those odds ..
But I personally think the talent of Kyrie Irving is being underestimated severely here and the respect he should have been given on that last play. A 2 sends the game to overtime and a 3 is game over.
But to each his own.
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I have no idea why AA didnt contest that shot Its mindboggling dude didnt listen to his coach bad awarness all around. You could hear it on the computer Casey "Close Out CLOSE OUT!" AA just stood on the line.... He let Kyrie hit a shot like he was in the gym alone.
And Casey also drew up a full court press for that last shot AA just was on the 3 line, should have pressured Kyrie up the floor why wouldn't you? its hard to make a play under desperation. the game is on AA and Amir.
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It's the timing of the play that's at issue. Anderson clearly should have closed when he could see the clock (directly behind Irving) go down to 2 seconds. At that point, you simply close hard without fouling and hope for the best. Irving is not driving at that point. It IS exactly the same as the Jose-Lin play last year, and Jose should have closed out, too. Just a big defensive brain fart by AA that probably cost them the game.Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.
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jimmie wrote: View PostIt's the timing of the play that's at issue. Anderson clearly should have closed when he could see the clock (directly behind Irving) go down to 2 seconds. At that point, you simply close hard without fouling and hope for the best. Irving is not driving at that point. It IS exactly the same as the Jose-Lin play last year, and Jose should have closed out, too. Just a big defensive brain fart by AA that probably cost them the game.
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jimmie wrote: View PostIt's the timing of the play that's at issue. Anderson clearly should have closed when he could see the clock (directly behind Irving) go down to 2 seconds. At that point, you simply close hard without fouling and hope for the best. Irving is not driving at that point. It IS exactly the same as the Jose-Lin play last year, and Jose should have closed out, too. Just a big defensive brain fart by AA that probably cost them the game.
But I think focusing on the shot so much is silly, and it is avoiding the true issue. It is not Anderson's fault we lost the game. We should not have been in that position. We start the fourth quarter up 9 against a team on a back to back and on the road. We have got to put that game away. This is a huge problem with Casey that was evident last year as well. This team, even last year, had the ability to stick with good teams until that final quarter. Casey needs to fix this. To start the fourth, we need to put our starters out there. Acy, Amir, Ross, Anderson, and Lowry is not the lineup we should be rolling with to start a fourth quarter. Whether its the two pg back court he ran a bit, or the 4 guard line up vs. the Heat, he has not shown that he knows how to coach his guys to finish a game. I like Casey, I really do, but this is a huge problem.
You can talk about how a 30 foot three point shot is an acceptable one to allow, but what is not acceptable is blowing a lead, and then putting the ball in the hands of arguably one of the best closers in the game, and letting him decide whether we win or lose.
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Red and White wrote: View PostTo start the fourth, we need to put our starters out there. Acy, Amir, Ross, Anderson, and Lowry is not the lineup we should be rolling with to start a fourth quarter.Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.
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DoNDaDDa wrote: View Posti wouldnt go that far.. after DD game winner the other day there was still pessimism running rampant on here. not everyone watches with rosey colored glasses LOL
what do we expect at this point with the team??? like really
-competitive team
-play tough basketball
- losses are still close (many of the losses could have been wins)
-our team is dealing with significant injuries to 2 of our big men atm
- we have no stars.
the next step for us is we need a legit star on our team. When we get one some of those close games will be wins.
Yes we should have won this game but the Cavs star player triumphed. How many games do the raptors win this year if Irving was our point guard instead of lowry. my guess, we'd already be in the top 8 in the east, set to make the playoffs playoffs
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Matt52 wrote: View PostFair enough.
But I personally think the talent of Kyrie Irving is being underestimated severely here and the respect he should have been given on that last play. A 2 sends the game to overtime and a 3 is game over.
But to each his own.
I'm not mad at our Raptors for it, I'm impressed with Kyrie Irving though. He made me a fan with a couple crisp spin moves, his ability to finish in traffic and a heroic 30 ft 3 pointer to win the game by a single point.
to conclude, we need a star... where's our Kyrie Irving?
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pesterm1 wrote: View PostI dont watch with rose goggles. but i certainly dont watch the games through a half empty glass.
what do we expect at this point with the team??? like really
-competitive team
-play tough basketball
- losses are still close (many of the losses could have been wins)
-our team is dealing with significant injuries to 2 of our big men atm
- we have no stars.
the next step for us is we need a legit star on our team. When we get one some of those close games will be wins.
Yes we should have won this game but the Cavs star player triumphed. How many games do the raptors win this year if Irving was our point guard instead of lowry. my guess, we'd already be in the top 8 in the east, set to make the playoffs playoffs
i read that was Kyrie's 5th game winner already too LOL for a second year player that is impressive!Last edited by DoNDaDDa; Sun Jan 27, 2013, 01:46 PM.
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