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2013 season is at the very least a Moral Victory
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yes we've seen progress, and yes i'm excited about next year. but the odds are heavily against us even before the loss to the wiz.
But imo it's best to keep things in perspective. We've still got a few issues that need to be worked out, if we want to get out of the first round."They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014
"I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015
"We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon
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BallaBalla wrote: View PostMeh I disagree
this is a process. "Winning" can only mean winning a championship, and I don't believe that we are "winning" if we make the playoffs and get sweptThere's math, and everything else is debatable.
@clericalbeats
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Moral victory because we gave Jonas 22 minutes a game? We deviated from our rebuild path and set different expectations midway through the season. Moral victory would've been to see Jonas, Ross, Davis, Bargnani, DeRozan all take steps forward. None of that is happening and we're invested in Gay. Given the new direction of this team, there are no moral victories, only wins and losses to count.
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Arsenalist wrote: View PostMoral victory because we gave Jonas 22 minutes a game? We deviated from our rebuild path and set different expectations midway through the season. Moral victory would've been to see Jonas, Ross, Davis, Bargnani, DeRozan all take steps forward. None of that is happening and we're invested in Gay. Given the new direction of this team, there are no moral victories, only wins and losses to count.
I am not sure about your development statement either. Bargnani wasn't ever going to take a step forward. He's a 7th year pro. Derozan is basically what he is. You can expect marginal improvements (I would hope) but what you see now is basically what you got for the next 4 years. Guys like Davis and Ross are a dime a dozen. Not sure why their development is so key. As for Jonas, I don't know, they've clearly found their centre going forward and he's played very good for a rookie big. You aren't going to "develop" guys in-season anyway. That happens in the off season.
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draftedraptor wrote: View Postsurely you mean MORALE victoryBallaBalla wrote: View Postdo I?
Wait let me look it up...yes i Do!
Thanks....hopefully I never made that mistake in something work related
A moral victory occurs when a person, team, army or other group loses a confrontation, and yet achieves some other moral gain. This gain might be unrelated to the confrontation in question, and the gain is often considerably less than what would have been accomplished if an actual victory had been achieved.
Source - Wikipediaan actual defeat regarded as a virtual victory because of the narrowness of the margin or because of some circumstance that gives satisfaction or hope
Source - Merriam Webster
As per the thread itself, I would agree. While the season is not completely decided, I think most Raps fans will be satisfied going into next season.
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slaw wrote: View PostThis is too simplistic. The Raps are 11 games under .500 but have won 6 of the last ten. If they win 60% of their games the rest of the year that puts them somewhere around 39 wins (not good) but which also means they would be an on annualized pace of 49-50 wins (very good). In which case, you could say that the trade was a big win that provides for optimism going forward. Obviously, I am not a fan of Colangelo or his half-assed plans and I still think this roster needs work (as I posted above) but it is a huge improvement on the roster they had a year ago.
I am not sure about your development statement either. Bargnani wasn't ever going to take a step forward. He's a 7th year pro. Derozan is basically what he is. You can expect marginal improvements (I would hope) but what you see now is basically what you got for the next 4 years. Guys like Davis and Ross are a dime a dozen. Not sure why their development is so key. As for Jonas, I don't know, they've clearly found their centre going forward and he's played very good for a rookie big. You aren't going to "develop" guys in-season anyway. That happens in the off season.There's math, and everything else is debatable.
@clericalbeats
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slaw wrote: View PostThis is too simplistic. The Raps are 11 games under .500 but have won 6 of the last ten. If they win 60% of their games the rest of the year that puts them somewhere around 39 wins (not good) but which also means they would be an on annualized pace of 49-50 wins (very good). In which case, you could say that the trade was a big win that provides for optimism going forward. Obviously, I am not a fan of Colangelo or his half-assed plans and I still think this roster needs work (as I posted above) but it is a huge improvement on the roster they had a year ago.
I am not sure about your development statement either. Bargnani wasn't ever going to take a step forward. He's a 7th year pro. Derozan is basically what he is. You can expect marginal improvements (I would hope) but what you see now is basically what you got for the next 4 years. Guys like Davis and Ross are a dime a dozen. Not sure why their development is so key. As for Jonas, I don't know, they've clearly found their centre going forward and he's played very good for a rookie big. You aren't going to "develop" guys in-season anyway. That happens in the off season.
Whether u get better thr
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slaw wrote: View PostThis is too simplistic. The Raps are 11 games under .500 but have won 6 of the last ten. If they win 60% of their games the rest of the year that puts them somewhere around 39 wins (not good) but which also means they would be an on annualized pace of 49-50 wins (very good). In which case, you could say that the trade was a big win that provides for optimism going forward. Obviously, I am not a fan of Colangelo or his half-assed plans and I still think this roster needs work (as I posted above) but it is a huge improvement on the roster they had a year ago.
I am not sure about your development statement either. Bargnani wasn't ever going to take a step forward. He's a 7th year pro. Derozan is basically what he is. You can expect marginal improvements (I would hope) but what you see now is basically what you got for the next 4 years. Guys like Davis and Ross are a dime a dozen. Not sure why their development is so key. As for Jonas, I don't know, they've clearly found their centre going forward and he's played very good for a rookie big. You aren't going to "develop" guys in-season anyway. That happens in the off season.
Whether u improve through development or moves you make it doesn't matter
My point is that we should be happy that our future will not be determined by bargs and dd's development
And that we are better
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From having a terrible start they went to playing decent basketball. Then with Gay the team went to a higher level. So they've gone from terrible to OK to pretty good. There's been a progression not a regression and that's good. One or both of Ross and Vals. is going to improve and that can only make the team better. If they make the play offs, great. If they finish 9th or 10th the pick is OKC's and in a weak draft that's OK too.Attitude Is A Choice.
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