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TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View PostHey big brother, you forgot to mention that Gay is one of the best closers in the NBA, has the ability to take over late in games with crucial shots, something that the Raptors, sorely, sorely need.
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akashsingh wrote: View Postwhat a condescending faggot p00ka is, the douchiness discredits whatever point he is trying to make. Or maybe he's doing it on purpose b/c he is a troll.
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footarez wrote: View PostIsn't that too much?He clearly has an opinion and he is trying to back it up. I also don't think that Gay can single handedly lead the Raptors to playoff success but I do think that he would be an upgrade over any wing we have and definitely an upgrade over Derozan - mostly because of his ability to actually take over a game late in the fourth. I actually like Derozan and I wouldn't give up Jose,Derozan and Jonas/Ed/Amir for Gay. This price is too high.
It would be a lot to give up, but considering we'd be holding onto our young players in Ross and JV and frankly there aren't any better players that I'm hearing rumors about being possibly traded to the Raptors I would make this deal.
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Mediumcore wrote: View PostIf it was Jose, DeRozan and one of Amir or Ed would you do it? We have quality back ups for each of those guys with Lowry, Ross and the whichever one of Amir or Ed Mephis doesn't want and Gay would be filling the SF position which has been a position needing an upgrade for a while now. Plus to make salaries match I think Memphis would have to send someone else or a pick back if I'm not mistaken.
It would be a lot to give up, but considering we'd be holding onto our young players in Ross and JV and frankly there aren't any better players that I'm hearing rumors about being possibly traded to the Raptors I would make this deal.
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akashsingh wrote: View PostI also read dougie's blog this morning. So I'll add my thought's minus the douchiness.
He was suggesting the trade involved: jose, ross, and one of davis and valanciunas. for gay.
I would do it.
I would be very sad to see Jose go but frankly I don't see enough minutes at the point guard position for both him and Lowry. I am not sold on Lowry being the better of the two players right now but Kyle is younger and is less of a risk as to declining production in a 2 year projection.
Terrence Ross looks like he has a chance of becoming a good player but nothing indicates he will be something really special. I think there will be sufficient opportunities to pick up someone at near the same talent level.
I am not that big a fan of Ed Davis and I really don't see the defensive stud many see, far from it. On the other hand, he improved last season (finding open space in the offense) and this year (knocking shots from that open space) and that tells me something about his work ethics. But he's still very thin two seasons after lack of strength was identified as a problem... I like him as a 20-24 mpg player but more than that and I am beyond my comfort level.
Rudy Gay is a better player than any of the three players listed above. His Value Over Replacement is also higher than the 3 players listed above.
I hate his contract and while I am not a fan of Rudy Gay, I think it's a fair trade.
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JV, Ross and Lowry are the only ones i wouldnt trade for Gay.
If they want Ross, Id make them take Bargnani too. Send a pick back or a young talent. Of course salaries should match.
Actually, edit that. Id trade Jose and Demar for Gay, then package Ross with Bargnani for an SG or PF. Id rather package Ed with Bargs but if no takers then Ross.Last edited by TheGloveinRapsUniform; Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:46 PM.
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Hugmenot wrote: View PostI would be very sad to see Jose go but frankly I don't see enough minutes at the point guard position for both him and Lowry. I am not sold on Lowry being the better of the two players right now but Kyle is younger and is less of a risk as to declining production in a 2 year projection.
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TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View PostJV, Ross and Lowry are the only ones i wouldnt trade for Gay.
If they want Ross, Id make them take Bargnani too. Send a pick back or a young talent. Of course salaries should match.
Actually, edit that. Id trade Jose and Demar for Gay, then package Ross with Bargnani for an SG or PF. Id rather package Ed with Bargs but if no takers then Ross.
Harden was traded for Martin (expiring contract), Lamb (rookie), two first rounders (from Toronto and Dallas) and a 2nd rounder (from Charlotte). Houston also got Aldrich, Hayward and Cook to make salaries match but that's a lot of assets going the other way.
If Memphis is looking for a similar value for Gay then you would have to consider Jose (expiring) for sure. Then either Ross or JV since they are the rooks (to mirror Lamb). Since the Raptors have no first rounder to offer they would have to give up then another rookie/young player (like Ed) and even then that might not be enough considering OKC got 2 first rounders and a rookie.
I don't think Gay is any where near as good as Harden but Memphis is going to be asking for a lot. If Bargnani was added to the table Memphis would get a pretty good laugh before they slam the phone.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostAnd let's not forget that Calderon happens to be playing the best ball of his career in a contract year. I don't think that's a coincidence.
The guy is actually pretty good.
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Hugmenot wrote: View PostJose is playing the best ball of his career? You could have fooled me as I thought he was playing better than this in 2006-07 through 2008-09.
The guy is actually pretty good.Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.
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