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magoon wrote: View PostAs a sidenote, last night did one important thing: it established the price for a 2014 draft pick with lottery potential.
The math for that pick is [worth of Jrue Holiday, an All-Star point guard] minus [worth of Nerlens Noel, an untested first-round pick who slid because of injury concerns].
In short: 2014 picks are going to be extremely expensive, and moreso if they have lottery potential. Rudy, JV and DeMar are probably the only guys who would net us a 2014 first-rounder, and we'd probably have to take crap along with the pick for DeMar.
Holiday is an actual all-star.... not a potential or borderline or underachieving "star".
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slaw wrote: View PostBrooklyn won 49 games last year. They added two players who, while clearly not anywhere near their prime, can still be effective in reduced minutes and are miles better than the players they are replacing. They still have Williams and Lopez who are both very good players. Yeah, Brooklyn is a pretender but they were way, way better than Toronto last year and they will be better than last year. The Knicks won 54 games. I agree that the Knicks may have peaked but they were 20 games better than Toronto and have only lost Kidd.
This team won 34 games last year. Now, I understand there are some mitigating factors at play but the Raps are not going to improve by 15 wins overnight. Not without significant upgrades.
Oh wait.... shit.... that didn't prove any counter point did it.
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magoon wrote: View PostFirst off:
Rudy - top 10, maybe, but definitely bottom half of the top 10 small forwards in the league. Do you take Rudy over LeBron, Durant, Carmelo, or Kawhi Leonard? No, you don't. And you probably have to think hard about whether you take Rudy over Luol Deng or Paul Pierce. And that's BEFORE you start thinking about Rudy's whale salary, which makes him worse by far.
DeMar - Not better than Kobe, Harden, Wade, Iguodala, and you probably don't take him over Ginobil, Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford or K-Mart.
Lowry - Lowry isn't even top ten! CP3, Westbrook, Parker, Curry, Kyrie, John Wall, Deron Williams, Jrue, Lillard, Ty Lawson... I could go on here.
Amir - I love Amir, but power forward is the deepest position in the league, and he's not in the top 10. Duncan, Bosh, Josh Smith, Serge Ibaka, David Lee, Z-Bo, LMA, Dirk, David West, Millsap... there's a lot of contenders there for top 10 and Amir doesn't even come close to cracking it.
JoVal - Marc Gasol, Greg Monroe, Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert, Dwight Howard, Anderson Varajao, Al Horford, Nikola Vucevic, Joakim Noah and Demarcus Cousins. JoVal has to play better than one of them to crack top ten. It'll take a banner year from him since bigs develop more slowly.
This is why we aren't a serious contender. Our guys are all either starter-quality or just below it, but we don't have any real star players (Rudy comes closest and "borderline All-Star" seems to be his ceiling). And worse, they don't facilitate each other: we have three dedicated scorers (Rudy, DeMar and Lowry) in our starting five! We don't have the talent for much more than a first-round playoff exit right now.
DeRozan IMO will be better than those 5 next season, he's already better than JJ, Crawford, and K Mart. Ginobilli is declining so he should pass him too
Lowry, i agree he isn't top 10 maybe on par with Ty Lawson if anything
Valanciunas, i'd take him over Vuecvic and Lopez, Horford is more of a PF
thats 3 players in the top 10 for their position...
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NoPropsneeded wrote: View PostHow can you say that with so much confidence? Btw its Brooklyn not NJ...
The Raptors IMO will be a better team than Brooklyn and NYC. NYC tried to go all in last year and couldn't, now they barely have any room to operate with all the money locked into their injury prone front court of Amar'e, Melo, and Chandler. As for Brooklyn, i think they are massively overrated. They traded Gerald wallace for two Vets who are on their last legs as NBA players, KG will probably retire within a year and same with paul pierce.
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NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post...DeRozan IMO will be better than those 5 next season, he's already better than JJ, Crawford, and K Mart. Ginobilli is declining so he should pass him too...
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NoPropsneeded wrote: View PostRudy is top 5 after Lebron, Durant, Melo, and Paul George.Twitter - @thekid_it
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Puffer wrote: View PostIt's good to be loyal, and I am not a DeRozan basher, but man, you need to lift up those glasses periodically or you are going to have a head on collision with a rose you didn't see coming.
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