It's a bad contract because Barbosa currently plays for a 60-loss team, and a team can lose 60 games a lot cheaper.
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Tim W. wrote: View PostThe Raptors won't get a better free agent than Barbosa, and the money the team saves won't matter much.
>13% of the current base cap. And the rules will get tighter. This is awfully short-sighted. When the rules change, there won't be as much to throw at FAs.[/QUOTE]
Tim W. wrote: View PostLoads of teams will be under the cap and most of them have a better record, roster and situation than Toronto. Good players aren't going to sign with a 22 win team unless you massively overpay them.
Tim W. wrote: View PostAnd even then it's doubtful the Raptors would even make it back to the playoffs, so what's really the point?
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Liston wrote: View PostTim, you're usually bang on. But last time I checked $7.6 million is a huge number in a declining cap space environment.
>13% of the current base cap. And the rules will get tighter. This is awfully short-sighted. When the rules change, there won't be as much to throw at FAs.
It's like the old adage, a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.
Liston wrote: View PostName the ones that can sign a multiple year deal starting at $7.6 million. Name those that are a top city. Name those with a young squad. Name those where the FA will be one of the leaders and get the ball often.
Houston will have about $45 million (about the same as Toronto), but are a far more respected organization and in a warm climate.
Indiana will be paying out more than $10 million less than Toronto and made the playoffs this past season.
The Clippers will be paying out about $44 million, and are in L.A. with the reigning ROY and a lot of buzz for the team.
Minnesota will be paying out $42 million, but really no one wants to go there.
New Jersey will be paying out $39 million, are going to move to New York after next season, have a great PG (players like to play with great PGs), a very rich owner and some half decent young talent.
Sacramento will be paying $44 million, and have more talent than the Raptors, and are in California.
Washington has a $40 million payroll and a great up and coming PG.
Basically, I'd put Denver, Houston, Indiana, the Clippers, New Jersey and possibly Washington in line ahead of Toronto. And that's not including the teams that may want to do sign and trades, so don't need to be under the cap.
Liston wrote: View PostThis makes me cringe. If you want to build a winner, its not an overnight exercise. You MUST make proper moves now in order to lay a proper foundation if the goal is to win it all for 4-5 years out. And shouldn't that be the goal?!
The proper move, in my opinion, is to take your time and worry about cap flexibility when you're in a better position to use it. Keep Barbosa and try and trade him for a draft pick or young prospect before the deadline. Continue to develop young players and don't try and rush into the playoffs with a bunch of mediocre players who won't be able to build on that. Once the Raptors have better talent and a better record, they'll be able to attract a better class of free agent.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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Tim W. wrote: View PostIt's like the old adage, a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.
Tim W. wrote: View PostBasically, I'd put Denver, Houston, Indiana, the Clippers, New Jersey and possibly Washington in line ahead of Toronto. And that's not including the teams that may want to do sign and trades, so don't need to be under the cap.
Saving money today gives you flexibility to sign someone this year or next. And, in theory, Barbosa wins you more games - not a good idea going into a strong draft. Having ability to look at free agents twice, rather than once is good.
Trading at the deadline usually means you take on a multi-year deal. You have to make the salaries match. And you may get lucky, but trading one expiry for another + good young prospect doesn't happen often.
Flexibility > gambling for good trade at deadline.
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Liston wrote: View PostI would argue having flexibility NOW is the bird in hand. Else you're *hoping* that some team is willing to give up a great young talent or pick for a 1/2 season of Barbosa? Not that many GMs are that dumb..
Liston wrote: View PostYou've named teams that are in financial distress and/or have to resign guys (like DeAndre Jordan) And the Raptors would have <$40m committed if Barbosa opted out - less than all those teams except NJ.
Liston wrote: View PostSaving money today gives you flexibility to sign someone this year or next. And, in theory, Barbosa wins you more games - not a good idea going into a strong draft. Having ability to look at free agents twice, rather than once is good.
Liston wrote: View PostTrading at the deadline usually means you take on a multi-year deal. You have to make the salaries match. And you may get lucky, but trading one expiry for another + good young prospect doesn't happen often.
Flexibility > gambling for good trade at deadline.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle2055376/
The leading candidate for Barbosa’s services, apparently, is Flamengo, Brazilian basketball champions in 2008 and 2009 who play in Rio de Janeiro. The club’s soccer side recently brought soccer star Ronaldinho back to the fold to finish his career after his run in Europe.
Another possibility is the Brazilian club Corinthians.Raptors president Bryan Colangelo said he just learned of the possibility of Barbosa leaving in recent days: “They are weighing options,” he said via text message from Europe where he’s scouting draft prospects. “There is no word from the agents on that yet.”"Adam Smith's invisible hand will do it's job. That will determine where we will go," said Arturo Barbosa via e-mail. “Leandro loves to compete and this competition will be based on a competition in the markets."
I would much prefer a Wilson Chandler or Arron Afflalo to Barbosa on the free agent market.
However, cap room is not just about free agents, it would significantly help on the trade front. With him opting out, that is $7.6M in salary the Raps could take from a team over the salary cap without having to send any back.
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Tim W. wrote: View PostI understand your point, it's just my fear that if the Raptors have lots of cap room, there's a real danger of what happened the summer they signed Turkoglu. They had money to spend and no one wanting it, so they overpaid Turkoglu in order to make some sort of impact. With Colangelo on a two year contract, will he be patient enough to sit on cap room, or will he try and force something? At least with Barbosa, if a good deal doesn't come along, they can just let his deal expire, and they'll have cap room next summer, when they might be in a more attractive position to free agents.
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