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All-Star Reserves - Congratulations DeMar DeRozan!
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Last edited by special1; Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:21 PM.
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stooley wrote: View PostThis is a dumb post man.
All-stars also have flaws, hell CB4 is a perennial all star, and we can confidently say he can't win a championship as a number one option, or even lead a contending team.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostAgreed.
It is terribly junior highish.
When I've coached junior high teams or hosted a tournament you ask a coach for player of the game and they immediately go to the score sheet and count points.
Points are very important - don't get me wrong. But it is not the be all and end all for evaluating impact on a game and importance to a team.
Vogel
Spoelstra
Budenholzer (served under Pop)
Stevens (speaker at 2014 Sloan Sports conference)
Thibodeau
Adelman
Clifford (mentored by Van Gundys)
Cheeks
Mike Brown
Drew
Woodson
Wittman
Brett Brown (served under Pop)
Kidd
There are a few duds in there but there are a lot of fine basketball minds. Furthermore, advanced stats are all the rage at the professional level, which is why attendance jumped 25% at the Sloan Sports conference and most of the NBA attended.
Are people really suggesting that this group of basketball minds is so stupid that they only look at PPG? Or could it be that they realize a player impacts the game in different ways? That there is a cost to be the center of attention of opposing teams' defenses?
Joe Johnson hasn't been scoring a ton, but he's been clutch as hell. I don't think he should have made it, but his selection clearly shows that PPG isn't the only thing being considered here. Afflalo, Walker, Jennings... These guys are all scorers too.
In short, there may be a thousand intertwined reasons why one guy made it over another. Reducing it to the coaches are idiots is pretty silly.
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Scraptor wrote: View PostThere are a few duds in there but there are a lot of fine basketball minds. Furthermore, advanced stats are all the rage at the professional level, which is why attendance jumped 25% at the Sloan Sports conference and most of the NBA attended.
Are people really suggesting that this group of basketball minds is so stupid that they only look at PPG? Or could it be that they realize a player impacts the game in different ways? That there is a cost to be the center of attention of opposing teams' defenses?
Joe Johnson hasn't been scoring a ton, but he's been clutch as hell. I don't think he should have made it, but his selection clearly shows that PPG isn't the only thing being considered here. Afflalo, Walker, Jennings... These guys are all scorers too.
In short, there may be a thousand intertwined reasons why one guy made it over another. Reducing it to the coaches are idiots is pretty silly."Bruno?
Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
He's terrible."
-Superjudge, 7/23
Hope you're wrong.
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special1 wrote: View PostNot sure you understand that these discussions are going way back (since last year). However, since you may be new here.....I agree that EVERY player has flaws. I just think its fair that some of the posters who talked the most shit, get called out for it.
There was never any "shit talking" going on. It was simply critiquing different aspects of the team (i.e. what goes on daily on every team's msg boards).
You taking this much offence to anything negative towards DeRozan, and feeling the need to "call out" people, just makes you sound desperate....and somewhat creepy.
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special1 wrote: View PostSay what you want, but he's an all-star now. Your opinions are just that. No doubt, Lowry deserves to be an all star too. BUT to say that he deserved it more than Derozan is rubbish IMO. I think if Lowry deserved to be an all-star over anyone its Joe Johnson.
Regardless I'm happy a raptor made it and DeMar is having a great year. Its a shame coaches can't be unbiased however.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostI now remember why they call you special....
There was never any "shit talking" going on. It was simply critiquing different aspects of the team (i.e. what goes on daily on every team's msg boards).
You taking this much offence to anything negative towards DeRozan, and feeling the need to "call out" people, just makes you sound desperate....and somewhat creepy.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostHowever, of the 5 key criticisms I've made against him since the offseason, that's really the only one he's shown sustained improvement it.
1. one-dimensional scorer
2. inefficient scorer & poor shot selection
3. poor 3pt shooter
4. average (at best) defender
5. not a legit SF (preferring SG to be a '3&D' type player - aka Ross)
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special1 wrote: View PostNot sure you understand that these discussions are going way back (since last year). However, since you may be new here.....I agree that EVERY player has flaws. I just think its fair that some of the posters who talked the most shit, get called out for it.
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rocwell wrote: View Post@Scraptor
DeMar hasn't improved defensively. He's gambling more, but nothing else has changed. ( sometimes you can tell that he's playing defense without effort. driving me crazy. )
DeRozan is our 2nd liability after JV.
Demar's Synergy stats (which reflect man defense better, which is important for wings) have improved considerably.
He is ranked 34th overall in PPP on defense.
Isolation? 1st overall.
P&R ball handler, 17th
Spot up, 46th
Off screen 55th.
The one I want to focus in on is spot up. This has traditionally been Demar's Achilles heel in Synergy stats. According to raptorshq, which is the only reference I could find, Demar ranked 273rd last season in spot up situations. To move up to 46th is a massive improvement.
Because of his lack of lateral quicks he often gave too much of a cushion to shooters. He also tended to lose his man on screens. We see much less of that lately. We see him contesting shots with vigor, we see him recovering better as well.
If you don't see improvement, then it's because you choose not to see. And that is all the defending I'm going to do in a thread which should celebrate improvements like this instead of picking at every tiny fault.
PS. To show you how far he's come, here are some comparisons from Demar in March 2011:
Overall 336th
Iso 185th
P&R ball handler 185th
Spot up 184th
Off screen 78th
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Scraptor wrote: View PostI disagree.
Demar's Synergy stats (which reflect man defense better, which is important for wings) have improved considerably.
He is ranked 34th overall in PPP on defense.
Isolation? 1st overall.
P&R ball handler, 17th
Spot up, 46th
Off screen 55th.
The one I want to focus in on is spot up. This has traditionally been Demar's Achilles heel in Synergy stats. According to raptorshq, which is the only reference I could find, Demar ranked 273rd last season in spot up situations. To move up to 46th is a massive improvement.
Because of his lack of lateral quicks he often gave too much of a cushion to shooters. He also tended to lose his man on screens. We see much less of that lately. We see him contesting shots with vigor, we see him recovering better as well.
If you don't see improvement, then it's because you choose not to see. And that is all the defending I'm going to do in a thread which should celebrate improvements like this instead of picking at every tiny fault.
PS. To show you how far he's come, here are some comparisons from Demar in March 2011:
Overall 336th
Iso 185th
P&R ball handler 185th
Spot up 184th
Off screen 78th
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Scraptor wrote: View PostI disagree.
Demar's Synergy stats (which reflect man defense better, which is important for wings) have improved considerably.
He is ranked 34th overall in PPP on defense.
Isolation? 1st overall.
P&R ball handler, 17th
Spot up, 46th
Off screen 55th.
The one I want to focus in on is spot up. This has traditionally been Demar's Achilles heel in Synergy stats. According to raptorshq, which is the only reference I could find, Demar ranked 273rd last season in spot up situations. To move up to 46th is a massive improvement.
Because of his lack of lateral quicks he often gave too much of a cushion to shooters. He also tended to lose his man on screens. We see much less of that lately. We see him contesting shots with vigor, we see him recovering better as well.
If you don't see improvement, then it's because you choose not to see. And that is all the defending I'm going to do in a thread which should celebrate improvements like this instead of picking at every tiny fault.
PS. To show you how far he's come, here are some comparisons from Demar in March 2011:
Overall 336th
Iso 185th
P&R ball handler 185th
Spot up 184th
Off screen 78th"Bruno?
Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
He's terrible."
-Superjudge, 7/23
Hope you're wrong.
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Scraptor wrote: View PostI disagree.
Demar's Synergy stats (which reflect man defense better, which is important for wings) have improved considerably.
He is ranked 34th overall in PPP on defense.
Isolation? 1st overall.
P&R ball handler, 17th
Spot up, 46th
Off screen 55th.
The one I want to focus in on is spot up. This has traditionally been Demar's Achilles heel in Synergy stats. According to raptorshq, which is the only reference I could find, Demar ranked 273rd last season in spot up situations. To move up to 46th is a massive improvement.
Because of his lack of lateral quicks he often gave too much of a cushion to shooters. He also tended to lose his man on screens. We see much less of that lately. We see him contesting shots with vigor, we see him recovering better as well.
If you don't see improvement, then it's because you choose not to see. And that is all the defending I'm going to do in a thread which should celebrate improvements like this instead of picking at every tiny fault.
PS. To show you how far he's come, here are some comparisons from Demar in March 2011:
Overall 336th
Iso 185th
P&R ball handler 185th
Spot up 184th
Off screen 78thTwitter: @ReubenJRD • NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.
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