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  • #16
    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I voted Davis. I don't see the "potential" everyone keeps talking about. He just happens to be young.
    I liked what I saw in the summer league, especially his ability to hit those elbow jumpers and how comfortable he was in the post. I don't think it's time to give up on him just yet. He certainly has more potential than Amir, and along with DeRozan, he's most likely to break out for the Raptors. I bet he could end up being a double double guy off the bench some time soon

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    • #17
      There were only 8 players who averaged a points-rebounds double-double last year....and none of them were bench players. I don't see Ed Davis being the first.

      Yes, his elbow jumper was noticeably improved compared to last year. But when you go from non-existent, to marginal (against non-NBA competition), things are going to look better than they actually are.

      Just my opinion, of course

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      • #18
        Okay well he averaged nearly 8 and 7 in his rookie year so close enough lol

        But you have to admit Ed has a chance to be much better than Amir offensively. Even though the summer league isn't NBA competition (not even close), I love how comfortable he looked posting up, and his ability to draw fouls, and those nice little baby hooks and other moves he was using to score. Amir's post game is non-existent, his jumpshot isn't there either and he'll never be a threat offensively. Ed certainly has potential to put up decent scoring numbers, and he rebounds and block shots at a high rate as well. He's not going to live up to the Chris Bosh comparison that I was hearing in 2009 (obviously lol), but I personally think he has potential to be much better than Amir
        Last edited by Sam17; Thu Aug 23, 2012, 03:33 PM.

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        • #19
          Yes, I suppose Davis has a chance to be better, again based on his relative youth, but will he actually live up to those expectations? Who knows, but it's been a somewhat slow ascent so far.

          My biggest concern with Davis is that he's still pushed around easily in the blocks. I dunno, he just seems super raw still.

          With Amir, what you see is what you get. He's the perfect backup big, capable of providing minutes at either PF or C as needed, you don't need to run plays for him, and his "motor" is never an issue. His shot isn't the greatest either, but the rest of his game seems to be a bit more polished than Davis's (at least at this point in their respective careers).

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          • #20
            Nilanka wrote: View Post
            Yes, I suppose Davis has a chance to be better, again based on his relative youth, but will he actually live up to those expectations? Who knows, but it's been a somewhat slow ascent so far.

            My biggest concern with Davis is that he's still pushed around easily in the blocks. I dunno, he just seems super raw still.

            With Amir, what you see is what you get. He's the perfect backup big, capable of providing minutes at either PF or C as needed, you don't need to run plays for him, and his "motor" is never an issue. His shot isn't the greatest either, but the rest of his game seems to be a bit more polished than Davis's (at least at this point in their respective careers).
            Although my preference is to keep Davis, if Calderon sticks around for at least half the season (and either re-signs for cheaper or comes back next offseason after being traded away at the deadline, to be a veteran backup PG for the following 2 years), he and Amir would have great PnR chemistry on the 2nd unit. You add shooters like Ross & Kleiza, and suddenly that's a pretty decent group of backups!

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            • #21
              I vote Amir to be traded, he brings more value to opposing teams right now, but I believe Ed has a higher ceiling and actually reminds me of a young Amir. I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised with what Ed brings this year. I'm guessing 10 pts 8 boards for the season but a strong end to it bringing up his numbers.

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              • #22
                knowledgep wrote: View Post
                I vote Amir to be traded, he brings more value to opposing teams right now, but I believe Ed has a higher ceiling and actually reminds me of a young Amir. I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised with what Ed brings this year. I'm guessing 10 pts 8 boards for the season but a strong end to it bringing up his numbers.
                10 points and 8 boards off the bench? Also more/similar production than what Valanciunas is estimated to have? I'm thinking similar numbers, but better defensive numbers and FG%.
                Twitter: @ReubenJRD • NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.

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                • #23
                  RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
                  10 points and 8 boards off the bench? Also more/similar production than what Valanciunas is estimated to have? I'm thinking similar numbers, but better defensive numbers and FG%.
                  considering his he averages 7 and 7 for his two years in the league, 10 and 8 is not a huge jump. An increase in minutes to around 26-27 would probably be all that is needed to accomplish this.
                  Twitter @WJ_FINDLAY

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                  • #24
                    voted excuse boy amir. like davis and think he will grow into the reliable consitent presence off the bench we need. amir can have a great game one day and then disappear for games and come and have another one. and always with the bullshit. had a bad week cause of the girlfriend. had a great game that is the kind of game i can expect from now on. girlfriend acting up again or i would be playing great.

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                    • #25
                      Sadly, I think it might be Ed because Amir is already tied to a contract which makes him less desireable in a trade, and frankly we don't know if Ed will sign with us long term once his rookie contract is up. Trading Ed is the safe bet.

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                      • #26
                        WJF wrote: View Post
                        considering his he averages 7 and 7 for his two years in the league, 10 and 8 is not a huge jump. An increase in minutes to around 26-27 would probably be all that is needed to accomplish this.
                        Do you think Ed Davis deserve 26-27 minutes a game?

                        While a few posters say how they saw some improvement in his offensive game in the Summer League, my main concern is Ed was always lost in defensive rotations last year. Until that improves - and it may with a full training camp - I'd rather see his minutes limited 18-20 minutes a game.

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                        • #27
                          Hugmenot wrote: View Post
                          Do you think Ed Davis deserve 26-27 minutes a game?

                          While a few posters say how they saw some improvement in his offensive game in the Summer League, my main concern is Ed was always lost in defensive rotations last year. Until that improves - and it may with a full training camp - I'd rather see his minutes limited 18-20 minutes a game.
                          So you want him to play 4-6 minutes less than he did in his first two years, no room for improvement in year 3?
                          Twitter @WJ_FINDLAY

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                          • #28
                            Miekenstien wrote: View Post
                            voted excuse boy amir. like davis and think he will grow into the reliable consitent presence off the bench we need. amir can have a great game one day and then disappear for games and come and have another one. and always with the bullshit. had a bad week cause of the girlfriend. had a great game that is the kind of game i can expect from now on. girlfriend acting up again or i would be playing great.
                            or maybe amir is just too knackered after jerking off to porn too much

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                            • #29
                              Those who read stats like thenbageek would note:
                              Ed Davis: +6 wins in a season
                              Amir Johnson: +6 wins
                              Lina's Kleiza: +1 win
                              Andrea Bargnani: -1 win (it was -6 wins the year before)

                              Seems like a pretty strong argument to keep both Amir and Ed, and dump Andrea ... who might fetch the most in a trade, as well.


                              P.S. But of course, stats are for losers like the San Antonio Spurs, and winners like the Raptors know that Andrea is our star.

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                              • #30
                                WJF wrote: View Post
                                So you want him to play 4-6 minutes less than he did in his first two years, no room for improvement in year 3?
                                The question is, what would've Davis' minutes looked like last year if Bargnani never went down?

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