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  • Axel wrote: View Post
    Ah memories. Who's going to get into a random bidding war this year?
    Ooooh!

    Ohhhh!

    Me!

    ME!

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      • mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
        Ooooh!

        Ohhhh!

        Me!

        ME!
        Considering you only have 1 spot to fill can you even get into a bidding war? Just drop 200 on whoever you want most and call it a day.

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        • tucas wrote: View Post
          Considering you only have 1 spot to fill can you even get into a bidding war? Just drop 200 on whoever you want most and call it a day.
          Don't forget your Draft Budget carries into your Waiver Budget as well. Didn't play much a factor last year, but you never know.

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          • tucas wrote: View Post
            Considering you only have 1 spot to fill can you even get into a bidding war? Just drop 200 on whoever you want most and call it a day.
            Gotta save a little bit of change for the waiver wire.

            Also will be fun getting the person on the other end of the bidding stuck on a player they really don't want for a ridiculous amount.

            Lol I love fantasy basketball

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            • mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
              19. Jared Dudley (Mil - SG,SF) $51 Joey's MonStars

              26. Andrew Nicholson (Orl - PF) $27 Joey's MonStars

              8. Andrea Bargnani (NY - PF,C) $22 Joey's MonStars
              Wow thanks for that reminder Matt .... UGH ...

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              • Joey wrote: View Post
                Don't forget your Draft Budget carries into your Waiver Budget as well. Didn't play much a factor last year, but you never know.
                Can we make bidding matter more??

                If i remember correctly, the only time you had to 'bid' against another owner, was when a player was dropped by someone else, and therefore wasn't available to be picked up immediately because that player had to go through the 3 day wait before anyone could pick him up.

                Outside of that scenario (and the actual first day of waiver wire pick ups), there is absolutely no need to use any free agent money. If you heard news about a hot free agent, you just went and picked him up. Basically first come, first served. But what if we couldn't pick players up until the next day? What if your only option was bid today on the player that would fill your roster tomorrow? That way more of us have a chance to hear the latest news, and put in a bid?

                That way the waiver budget is more meaningful.

                IMO, it doesn't really make sense to be able to blow your entire budget on the free agent auction draft PLUS have the ability to sign waiver wire guys during the season. An owner should be rewarded for being frugal and diligent in the way they handle their money.

                Thoughts?

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                • skywalker wrote: View Post
                  Can we make bidding matter more??

                  If i remember correctly, the only time you had to 'bid' against another owner, was when a player was dropped by someone else, and therefore wasn't available to be picked up immediately because that player had to go through the 3 day wait before anyone could pick him up.

                  Outside of that scenario (and the actual first day of waiver wire pick ups), there is absolutely no need to use any free agent money. If you heard news about a hot free agent, you just went and picked him up. Basically first come, first served. But what if we couldn't pick players up until the next day? What if your only option was bid today on the player that would fill your roster tomorrow? That way more of us have a chance to hear the latest news, and put in a bid?

                  That way the waiver budget is more meaningful.

                  IMO, it doesn't really make sense to be able to blow your entire budget on the free agent auction draft PLUS have the ability to sign waiver wire guys during the season. An owner should be rewarded for being frugal and diligent in the way they handle their money.

                  Thoughts?
                  I'm not sure Yahoo! can be set up as you described in bold #1.

                  Also I don't think we should be changing rules now. I've set up my roster to basically be able to get whoever I want in free agency. Since I did that, shouldn't I be rewarded?

                  Regarding bold 2, an owner can't sign guys on waiver wire without 'money'. If I blow $200 in free agency, then I have to wait for guys to clear the waiver wire to get a shot at him. If the player is any good at all, he is not going to be able to be obtained because he'll never make it to UFA status. Add/drops don't cost anything and anyone over the cap/$200 can sign because they are the equivalent of a minimum contract. Also why shouldn't a person doing his homework get the opportunity to pick up a guy before anyone else finds out? Isn't that what Masai did with Bruno?

                  Bottom line: I don't agree with making fantasy basketball a socialist affair.

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                  • Also last year there were 15 transactions requiring a bid.

                    10 of those happened in the first 3 days of the season.

                    Once the season opens, any adds are going to be on the waiver wire.

                    So if you've blow $200 in free agency, you can't add anyone for the first 3 days of the season. You're stuck with what you have until everyone becomes unrestricted after first 3 days of the season.

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                    • I agree with Mchappy here. Most of the moves are done very early in the season, where owners lose faith early or a player steps it up for the first two weeks or so. There's only minor tinkering done throughout the season, so not much point for waiver money in say, February...

                      I'm open to changes for next season if we all vote, but this year should remain the same.

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                      • Agree that any change brought forward now should be considered for the 2015-16 season, not the upcoming one.

                        But I do like the concept of waiver wire budgets having more importance throughout the season. I think it makes tougher decisions at the draft (how much of your $200 do you keep back for in-season changes) and when you're trying to tinker with your roster once the season gets going. The more strategy, the better.

                        Of course, I'm not sure what options the commissioners have in the Yahoo settings for that kind of stuff.

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                        • mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
                          Also last year there were 15 transactions requiring a bid.

                          10 of those happened in the first 3 days of the season.

                          Once the season opens, any adds are going to be on the waiver wire.

                          So if you've blow $200 in free agency, you can't add anyone for the first 3 days of the season. You're stuck with what you have until everyone becomes unrestricted after first 3 days of the season.
                          McHappy, you have done a great job managing your team and have set yourself as the only owner who could at any moment have whoever you'd like in free agency. No one would be able to outbid you on any one single player, because the rest of us need at least 2 players. You should be rewarded for your diligence.

                          That said, if you've blown your $200 on free agency, isn't there a good chance that you got who you wanted in free agency, and probably would have no interest in those remaining free agents?

                          I know that any changes/editions to our league rules would have to be for 2015-16 season, but this is one I'd like to see more discussion on it.

                          Hypothetically, a starter on a team sustains an injury. He's forced to miss time, and as a result, a guy who was on no ones radar is given opportunity to play minutes. We all know this could go either way. Either he provides decent value or he bombs. But those guys are prime waiver wire targets throughout the season. In all leagues not called dynasty, whoever gets to the waiver wire first gets the guy. And that's fine for all those other leagues. But this is dynasty. I think there should be more to it.

                          In a Dynasty league it shouldn't be about who gets to the computer first to pick up the next hot free agent. Your ability, or lack thereof, to pick up a player should somehow be connected to how you manage your cap & your money. Right now pick ups affect the cap, and there are ramifications that way, but money matters little.

                          Should i be allowed to sign a guy if I don't have the money to do so? In those other leagues, i say yes, first one to the computer wins. But in our dynasty league where you must consider cap space, contract years, auction dollars, next years draft class, etc. you should have to pay for every pick up.

                          And in other news, that took me way too long to type out haha Just a few thoughts to throw out for consideration.

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                          • I'm not familiar enough with the way waivers work during the season to really have an opinion on that particular topic.

                            But something that struck me as odd when I joined is that free agency seemingly has nothing to do with your available cap space. So someone with 35 years on their cap, and only 1 spot open, can bid $200, win whoever they want, and sign them to 5 years. That's a huge advantage given to a team that has piled on the long term contracts and not valued cap space, exactly the opposite of what happens in the NBA.

                            I like the system as is, but I think it would be interesting to at least explore (for future years) allocating free agent auction money based on cap space. Currently, most teams enter the free agency period with about 20-25 years on their cap. So, when each team gets $200, that's about $10 per year of cap space. Is it possible to assign different available amounts to each player for auction, at a rate of $10 per year under the cap? So, for example, if I had only 3 years of cap room available going into free agency, I'd have only $30 of money available at auction - meaning, like an NBA team with limited cap room, I'd be out of the running for the major free agents.

                            Just an idea that struck me. Thoughts? Is it even possible with the Yahoo auction system?
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                            • I like the idea of more waivers use during the season. That said, no idea how to best implement within the yahoo parameters.
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                              • skywalker wrote: View Post
                                McHappy, you have done a great job managing your team and have set yourself as the only owner who could at any moment have whoever you'd like in free agency. No one would be able to outbid you on any one single player, because the rest of us need at least 2 players. You should be rewarded for your diligence.

                                That said, if you've blown your $200 on free agency, isn't there a good chance that you got who you wanted in free agency, and probably would have no interest in those remaining free agents?

                                I know that any changes/editions to our league rules would have to be for 2015-16 season, but this is one I'd like to see more discussion on it.

                                Hypothetically, a starter on a team sustains an injury. He's forced to miss time, and as a result, a guy who was on no ones radar is given opportunity to play minutes. We all know this could go either way. Either he provides decent value or he bombs. But those guys are prime waiver wire targets throughout the season. In all leagues not called dynasty, whoever gets to the waiver wire first gets the guy. And that's fine for all those other leagues. But this is dynasty. I think there should be more to it.

                                In a Dynasty league it shouldn't be about who gets to the computer first to pick up the next hot free agent. Your ability, or lack thereof, to pick up a player should somehow be connected to how you manage your cap & your money. Right now pick ups affect the cap, and there are ramifications that way, but money matters little.

                                Should i be allowed to sign a guy if I don't have the money to do so? In those other leagues, i say yes, first one to the computer wins. But in our dynasty league where you must consider cap space, contract years, auction dollars, next years draft class, etc. you should have to pay for every pick up.

                                And in other news, that took me way too long to type out haha Just a few thoughts to throw out for consideration.
                                Bold 1: Not true. Mack North is in same situation.

                                Bold 2: Also not true. I'm contemplating waiving Jack to get a shot at another player.

                                Bold 3: What is the difference than in the NBA when a team brings up a D-League player? It is a Jeremy Lin situation.

                                Bold 4: What is the difference between that and an NBA team offering a D-League player or a player who just finished in China or Europe a contract? Guys who aren't signed and are minimum contracts are the equivalent of minimum contract players. NBA teams can add and drop minimum players as they want. HOwever in our league each add and drop counts as a year and you only get 40. The consequence for doing this is if you do come across a player you want to have moving forward, you might not be able to keep him. I hate to pick on jbml but he is in the current situation. In the NBA you don't' see it happening because it actually costs real money and there are luxury tax ramifications.

                                BOld 5: Your thinking is backwards.
                                Years in Dynasty = actually money in the NBA
                                The lower the roster spaces in Dynasty = The greater the cap space in the NBA
                                (i.e. 200/1, 200/2, 200/3, 200/4, etc.).

                                Bold 6: Yes, because it is a minimum contract. IF you have extra years in your cap space, you can add a guy for extra years.


                                A couple of my own points:

                                1) I recall a similar discussion in year 1 on this topic. Not to the extent of extensions, but this has been discussed before.
                                2) After two years consequences for decisions are starting to become apparent. That is not justification for changing the rules due to poor or unfortunate planning.
                                3) No matter what the rules are someone is always going to say, "Yeah but....." It happens in the NBA all the time. Any change to the CBA is going to hinder some teams and help others.
                                4) I believe what the majority of the league wants to do is the way to go for after this coming season. However, I don't agree with changing the rules on this topic because there are already consequences in place. If you spend all your money in free agency then anyone who comes across the waiver wire is not available to you... it is that simple. If you used all your years and are over 40 when you pick up a player, you can't resign them meaning they go to free agency. Last year some decent players went across the wire and some players who were either on hot streaks at that time or would go on streaks in the future: Tony Allen, Alec Burks, Wesley Johnson, Draymond Green, James Johnson, Kent Bazemore, Kendall Marshall, Ed Davis, Kelly, Splitter, Garnett, Dudley, Cory Joseph, Harrison Barnes, Nene, Birdman, Dalembert, Harkless, Biyombo, Jason Smith, Farmar, Aaron Brooks, Courtney Lee, Matt Barnes, Mike MIller, PJ Tucker, Chris Kaman, Brendan WRight, Beasley, CJ Miles, Jodie Meeks.

                                If we're discussing rule changes with waiver wire the Change I'd like to see is this: if a player is waived, you must have the number of years available to sign him. SO for example last year when Harrison Barnes or Maurice Harkless was waived with 2 years remaining, you could only claim him if you had 38 years or less. If you had 39 or more, you would have to wait until he is an UFA. This would be like the NBA where you can only claim a player not on a minimum contract (1 year) if you have the cap space or an exception (but we don't have exceptions in our league so just cap space) to absorb the value of the contract.

                                DanH wrote: View Post
                                I'm not familiar enough with the way waivers work during the season to really have an opinion on that particular topic.

                                But something that struck me as odd when I joined is that free agency seemingly has nothing to do with your available cap space. So someone with 35 years on their cap, and only 1 spot open, can bid $200, win whoever they want, and sign them to 5 years. That's a huge advantage given to a team that has piled on the long term contracts and not valued cap space, exactly the opposite of what happens in the NBA.

                                I like the system as is, but I think it would be interesting to at least explore (for future years) allocating free agent auction money based on cap space. Currently, most teams enter the free agency period with about 20-25 years on their cap. So, when each team gets $200, that's about $10 per year of cap space. Is it possible to assign different available amounts to each player for auction, at a rate of $10 per year under the cap? So, for example, if I had only 3 years of cap room available going into free agency, I'd have only $30 of money available at auction - meaning, like an NBA team with limited cap room, I'd be out of the running for the major free agents.

                                Just an idea that struck me. Thoughts? Is it even possible with the Yahoo auction system?
                                Yes, it is possible. HOwever, the league was set up to mimic the NBA as best as possible. Unfortunately we're not actually dealing with real money. WE can't actually wine and dine players in free agency. We can't wow them with our practice facilities. We can't use agent connections. We can't rely on our past success - or failures. We don't have 'markets' to create more endorsement dollars.

                                Bold 1: You need to think in reverse.

                                Years in Dynasty = actually money in the NBA

                                The lower the roster spaces in Dynasty = The greater the cap space in the NBA
                                (i.e. 200/1, 200/2, 200/3, 200/4, etc.).


                                **I can't emphasize above enough so I bold it**

                                So this summer

                                Bold 2: So for an owner that allocated their years wisely, obtained valuable players and signed them to longer deals, built a balanced roster..... they'd be punished? If team A has 11 players and team b has 14 players, team A can still go up to $197 if they really want a player. Of course, they'd be forced to sign the remaining players for $1 each. That might sound like a shitty deal but the guy who won it last year, Keeping It Real !!, had 7 $1 players in free agency last fall.



                                Axel wrote: View Post
                                I like the idea of more waivers use during the season. That said, no idea how to best implement within the yahoo parameters.
                                It is never going to happen. Because this is dynasty, very rarely is a great player going to be waived. Even when good players get injured the team sucks it up and holds on to them because a) they are extremely talented, and b) the years still count against your cap unless you amnesty them (and you only have 1 shot to ever do that).

                                If you want to make the waiver wire more competitive and interesting, tie it in to the years as I put above. Anyone more than 1 year you need to have the years available.
                                Last edited by mcHAPPY; Thu Aug 28, 2014, 07:44 PM.

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