I'd say it's guaranteed the Lowry + bench lineup would falter quite a bit if you had Siakam there instead of PP. Perhaps a steadier starting lineup would negate losing those almost dependable runs the Extinction lineup provides. Hard to say, fun(ish) to discuss.
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Mess wrote: View PostI'd say it's guaranteed the Lowry + bench lineup would falter quite a bit if you had Siakam there instead of PP. Perhaps a steadier starting lineup would negate losing those almost dependable runs the Extinction lineup provides. Hard to say, fun(ish) to discuss.
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Yeah you want PP to close and I'm not sure anyone is sold on his ability to perform at a high level for the same minutes as KL or DD (35+).
So maybe a part of it is that the 6 (or however many) minutes he sits at the start of the game makes it easier for Casey to ration out his 28-30 minutes of playing time based on the needs of the team each particular night.Two beer away from being two beers away.
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Mess wrote: View PostYeah you want PP to close and I'm not sure anyone is sold on his ability to perform at a high level for the same minutes as KL or DD (35+).
So maybe a part of it is that the 6 (or however many) minutes he sits at the start of the game makes it easier for Casey to ration out his 28-30 minutes of playing time based on the needs of the team each particular night.
One more thing Mess - that Koreen story was a terrific find. Confirmed a lot of what I suspected in regards to his IQ and even expanded my appreciation for the guy. We keep talking about trading for a "star" PF. I'm not sure we already don't have one.If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.
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Mess wrote: View PostSince this has recently turned into the (most current) PP referendum, I shall leave this here.
FEATURE: I asked 14 in Raptors organization what Patrick Patterson’s most essential skill is. It got complicated. https://t.co/AQY2ImyeRZ
— (((Eric Koreen))) (@ekoreen) December 20, 2016
9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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Another piece with a lot of detail, mostly all mentioned here at one time or another, all in one spot:
Get prepped for a really cool video I'm doing tomorrow by reading @Spinella14's Raptors article NOW: https://t.co/igbrr7kMqV
— BBALLBREAKDOWN (@bballbreakdown) December 20, 2016
We'll see about that video though.Two beer away from being two beers away.
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KeonClark wrote: View PostThanks for posting. Was it Christian who said we won't bringing 2Pat back next year? Yeah..Id bet against it. The common thread everyone says on the team here is that he's extremely tough to replace..
No wonder Weltman seemed so reticent to answer Koreen's questions. Every positive thing he said is gonna cost a few bucks more.If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.
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3inthekeon wrote: View PostI remember asking as last years trade deadline approached why almost everyone wanted to trade Patterson. He's almost a perfect fit in our system, but with the league-wide emphasis on spacing, defensive versatility and the ability to switch off screens, he could fit a lot of teams needs.
No wonder Weltman seemed so reticent to answer Koreen's questions. Every positive thing he said is gonna cost a few bucks more.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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KeonClark wrote: View PostHe is the perfect fit. The true "missing piece", or 3rd all star, would be better suited at Small Forward. Carroll was supposed to be that glue guy they describe. yeah...no.
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KeonClark wrote: View PostThanks for posting. Was it Christian who said we won't bringing 2Pat back next year? Yeah..Id bet against it. The common thread everyone says on the team here is that he's extremely tough to replace..
I admit I have no idea as to PPatt's 'true' free market value...Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.
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jimmie wrote: View PostI think it was me. I'm still skeptical. Doesn't mean I personally wouldn't bring him back -- I do see his value and all things considered would like to see him stay. I'm pretty sure I said it was unlikely due to the cap. It's interesting; the dude is going to command $15M+ to stay in Toronto, is my baseline guess, but I wonder if he'd get that anywhere else... His exceptional impact may be a factor of our specific lineup...
I admit I have no idea as to PPatt's 'true' free market value...
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jimmie wrote: View PostI think it was me. I'm still skeptical. Doesn't mean I personally wouldn't bring him back -- I do see his value and all things considered would like to see him stay. I'm pretty sure I said it was unlikely due to the cap. It's interesting; the dude is going to command $15M+ to stay in Toronto, is my baseline guess, but I wonder if he'd get that anywhere else... His exceptional impact may be a factor of our specific lineup...
I admit I have no idea as to PPatt's 'true' free market value...
If you look around the league, bigs that can space the floor are in high demand. Then toss in defensive versatility and high IQ. His list of potential fits is pretty lengthy - try to name a team where he wouldn't fit.
His limitation for suitors will be teams with insufficient cap space, greater needs elsewhere or teams like Phoenix that already are having trouble finding playing time for their young stretchy bigs.If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.
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3inthekeon wrote: View PostActually we're pretty bad as a group at judging value.
If you look around the league, bigs that can space the floor are in high demand. Then toss in defensive versatility and high IQ. His list of potential fits is pretty lengthy - try to name a team where he wouldn't fit.
His limitation for suitors will be teams with insufficient cap space, greater needs elsewhere or teams like Phoenix that already are having trouble finding playing time for their young stretchy bigs.
I love him in Toronto, and it's obvious the players do, too. I guess I'm hoping other GMs might be risk-averse and low-ball PPatt. With Lowry getting the max, it's going to hurt to also pay PPatt what he probably deserves.Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.
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