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Game #32: Toronto Raptors 91 - Phoenix Suns 99
6pm Pacific Time.
Probable Starters
Toronto
PG - Kyle Lowry
SG - DeMar DeRozan
SF - DeMarre Carroll (Norman Powell? hope so)
PF - Pascal Siakam
C - Jonas Valanciunas
Phoenix
PG - Eric Bledsoe
SG - Devin Booker
SF - PJ Tucker
PF - Marquese Chriss
C - Tyson Chandler
Key Matchup - DeRozan vs Booker.Mamba Mentality
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KHD wrote: View Posti have no idea what phoenix is doing. caught some of suns/spurs last night, earl watson runs worse offensive sets than dwane casey's first couple of years here.
9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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big boi wrote: View PostKobe was voted by NBA coaches to the NBA 1st team all defence 9 times. Tied with Jordan, Payton, Garnett. I think 'superb' might be an understatement.
It's hard to measure objectively with statistics but for example his defensive box-score plus minus was negative or near zero almost every single year of his career with the exception of one (1999-2000)Last edited by Lupe; Thu Dec 29, 2016, 06:29 PM.
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lewro wrote: View PostWas thinking this but reading it makes it real.
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Lupe wrote: View PostJV, Monroe, Kanter and Vucevic are all kind of in the same group of center. Similar aged centers, skilled offensively but defensive liabilities in the modern game. JV is the best in that group (maybe a hair better than Kanter) but it's telling that the other three are all sort of being used as 6th men spark-plug type scorers.
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3inthekeon wrote: View PostJV is a somewhat better version of Greg Monroe, who's been on the trade block for some time now.
Sent from my LG-H831 using TapatalkLast edited by Chr1s1anL; Thu Dec 29, 2016, 07:09 PM.@Chr1st1anL
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Lupe wrote: View PostJV, Monroe, Kanter and Vucevic are all kind of in the same group of center. Similar aged centers, skilled offensively but defensive liabilities in the modern game. JV is the best in that group (maybe a hair better than Kanter) but it's telling that the other three are all sort of being used as 6th men spark-plug type scorers.
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Lupe wrote: View PostHighly debatable whether he deserved those 1st team all defence selections. Especially not the ones later in his career like the 1st team selection he had no business getting in 2010.
It's hard to measure objectively with statistics but for example his defensive box-score plus minus was negative or near zero almost every single year of his career with the exception of one (1999-2000)
What is not open for debate is how ludicrous it is to even compare Kobe's D to Demar's D. It is not enough to say 'Kobe was better but...' I'm paraphrasing I think. One is a bad defender at his position and can't play good man to man d. The other was considered to be the best defender at his position in the league 9 times, by opposing coaches. And the 2nd best at his position some other years.
If Demar could be considered the 15th best at his position I would be extremely happy. SI consider he is in the bottom 20%. So what's that, 6th worst?
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