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  • #16
    Well you know Doug's gotta eat. And if he has to now form new relationships with people in management because his old contacts that would leak him tid bits about the ongoings in the team or make time for interviews or whatever it is he uses to fill out his column then it means more work for Doug. And at the end of the day that is going to cut into his eating time. It's just about having to do some work for Doug. And he doesn't like it.

    With regards to whether there has been too much change...we won't know until next season because it's all about the product on the floor and how it affects wins and loses. I personally don't care one way or another who gets axed and who gets brought in to replace them as long as it results in wins.

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    • #17
      As far as I know, Masai has replaced BC, Weltman has replaced Stephanski and Alvin is out. It's very little change IMO.
      Attitude Is A Choice.

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      • #18
        Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
        As far as I know, Masai has replaced BC, Weltman has replaced Stephanski and Alvin is out. It's very little change IMO.
        They've also let Jim Kelly go and cleaned out most of the scouting department. We've also heard that Gherardini is on his way out. I highly doubt Eversley will be there come the fall.

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        • #19
          Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
          As far as I know, Masai has replaced BC, Weltman has replaced Stephanski and Alvin is out. It's very little change IMO.
          Are you suggesting the cull should be at a faster pace or that the change in faces are not drastic enough in substance ?

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          • #20
            I voted for not enough change. As far as I'm concerned Lieweke and Ujiri have Carte Blanche to go out and get red of anyone and everyone... at least for the duration of the first season and a half.
            "They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014

            "I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015

            "We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon

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            • #21
              Matt52 wrote: View Post
              I think you are making this more than it was intended to be. The intent was to get people's perceptions on the last month with TL and MU....
              Sorry...just went back and reread the poll. completely blew by the "last month" thing.

              Raptors biggest problem is the level of talent and how that talent fits together, as you have pointed out before I believe Matt. I think I recall you even suggesting that the poor fit is more significant that the actual talent level. Some big weak spots in this roster. And the roster is all on the front office.

              Move them all out, as far as I am concerned. Start rebuilding or retooling this team with a plan in place, because there doesn't seem to have been one for years. I has seemed like BC has just jumped at whatever happened to catch his eye.

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              • #22
                Matt52 wrote: View Post
                It will be interesting to see fan reactions when and if the people they more closely align to (the players) start to get shuffled.

                I have a feeling when people like Amir Johnson or DeMar DeRozan get moved there will be a lot of emotions vented in much the same manner. Hell even Bargnani still has some fans.
                I agree with this, I'm about the only person in my whole school that doesn't think DeMar's good for this team. And that's just a small-scale example.

                Matt52 wrote: View Post
                Hopefully but I doubt it.

                As dickishly as Doug Smith puts it, "Thanks for the hits. Keep reading."

                As long as hits come in, I don't think TheStar cares.
                Sounds like a Skip Bayless comparison. As far as I'm concerned, the only reason he hasn't been kicked off ESPN is because his hilariously outlandish views get ratings for First Take.
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                • #23
                  slaw wrote: View Post
                  Man, if I was in charge the only thing left in the front office would be the chairs, desks, computers and phones.
                  even these have the stank of losing all over them. start a new poll to change the chairs, desks, computers and phones into champion office equipment. let's get this done tim.

                  i think that when a lot of management change there are some firings and some keepers for the new management. what i like about now is tim and masai have talked about changing the history of the raps and so they are getting rid of history. none of these people being fired represent winning. even alvin only represents a second round loss.

                  only guy i don't want to see get fired is embry.

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                  • #24
                    slaw wrote: View Post
                    They've also let Jim Kelly go and cleaned out most of the scouting department. We've also heard that Gherardini is on his way out. I highly doubt Eversley will be there come the fall.
                    Yes I forgot about Jim Kelly and I was not aware of the scouts being fired.
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                    • #25
                      Bendit wrote: View Post
                      Are you suggesting the cull should be at a faster pace or that the change in faces are not drastic enough in substance ?
                      No I'm simply stating that it doesn't seem like a lot change has taken place. It's only a matter of time though before, if not all, most of BC's staff gets fired. It's simply the nature of the business.
                      Attitude Is A Choice.

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                      • #26
                        Matt52 wrote: View Post
                        It will be interesting to see fan reactions when and if the people they more closely align to (the players) start to get shuffled.

                        I have a feeling when people like Amir Johnson or DeMar DeRozan get moved there will be a lot of emotions vented in much the same manner. Hell even Bargnani still has some fans.
                        Trading Amir makes a ton of sense though. He is one of our better assets right now and might be at peak value. If the team thinks it can turn it around quickly, then perhaps they keep him, but his trade could speed up the process.
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                        • #27
                          I personally think Doug just lost alot of his contact that he has built a relationship with over the last 7 years. He now realizes he is in trouble and will have to work to make new ones. Seems like Doug is worried. I predict Doug wont be covering the raptors as much anymore.

                          Based on the pole, the fans want more change and agree with the changes made.... Doug, your wrong again !

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                          • #28
                            Wow, talk about cleaning house if it even hits the third party "yes men" reporters.

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                            • #29
                              pesterm1 wrote: View Post
                              I personally think Doug just lost alot of his contact that he has built a relationship with over the last 7 years. He now realizes he is in trouble and will have to work to make new ones. Seems like Doug is worried. I predict Doug wont be covering the raptors as much anymore.

                              Based on the pole, the fans want more change and agree with the changes made.... Doug, your wrong again !
                              I'm sure some of them, like Jim Kelly, have been there much longer.

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                              • #30
                                Alvin & the Chimpmunks

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                                I think moving Alvin out was a mistake. The fact that he was marginalized by the previous Admin (or so we're told ... ie. a Scout in Philly land), makes me think a good PR move, would be towards making Williams more of the face of the Raptors. A sort of ... "we actually care about those in the organization (who don't impact the team roster), who have a fondness for the only team not in the USA".

                                As for jettisoning Steve Fruitman - who somehow put the amazing trade together for Hedo (as the Cap Specialist) - I have wonder, what was the point to this. Have Timothy & Ujiji been watching too much Last Man Standing. Is Timothy ... aka Tim Allen, and Massai ... aka Nancy Travis.

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                                Granted, these are small changes - relatively speaking. All the more reason why they could've kept both guys.

                                As to Dougie Smith's rant of late, I think he made a valid point. And a number of other Sport Beat guys made similar comments (regarding Alvin). I may disagree with most things DS, but to completely dismiss everything he says, downplays the concept that even idiots sometimes have good ideas.

                                Truth be told, I'm a little worried about Tim Leiweke. Intuition is ringing in my ears, worried that Timothy is a micro-managing type of guy. Hopefully our Messiah Massai, has enough control to chart a new course for the Raptors. Hate to see a suit get too involved - remember that pencil pushing Teachers' Union guy. Leiweke strikes me as more a PR guy with great success in that field, and not enough of a Sports type who can dictate a brighter future for the Leafs, Raptors, et al.

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