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Tim W. wrote: View PostCan they play in a structured system? Can they subjugate their skills to fit in, rather than show off? Can they pass? Can they defend their position? Can they score against a structured defense? Can they win?
Moves are great, but it's only half of what you need to make it in the NBA. Rafer Alston didn't do well in the NBA until he'd had the street knocked out of his game.
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Tim W. wrote: View PostIn Europe, they do play defense, it's just less reliant on athleticism than in the NBA. And in Europe, you need to play a team game. You think these street ballers excel at that?
Do I think Street ballers excel at a team game, no. Do I think the excel at shooting, aggressiveness, and athleticism (which, you admit, the Euroleague lacks)? Yes.
Regardless, they can not score against a structured defense, that is why they never do well in the NBA. Watching those clips, I did not see 1 help defender. Didnt notice it before. They do not lack talent, but its the structure they lack.Last edited by Red and White; Thu Aug 11, 2011, 06:52 PM.
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fun to watch, but not really that useful to make your game better."They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014
"I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015
"We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon
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Anyone else notice how the Announcer was calling Derozan "LAX" and "Kid Fly"?
I think that was Derozan anyway.
I kinda like LAX ... Kid Fly works too.
Both are better than Kid Comp-10 or whatever are calling him these days. haha
ADD That was a SICK off the backboard to himself, mid game. Like Carter in the All-Star game.Last edited by Joey; Thu Aug 11, 2011, 07:23 PM.
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Red and White wrote: View PostWell, that is not true. Many NBA players who have been in the Euro's (Former raptor Will Solomom, who was known for his offense in the euro's) say that the European teams don't stress defense on their best players on offense. When you have tons of players who excel at things like jump shooting (which many street ballers do) and isolation, they can help any euro team win.
Do I think Street ballers excel at a team game, no. Do I think the excel at shooting, aggressiveness, and athleticism (which, you admit, the Euroleague lacks)? Yes.
Regardless, they can not score against a structured defense, that is why they never do well in the NBA. Watching those clips, I did not see 1 help defender. Didnt notice it before. They do not lack talent, but its the structure they lack.
Many of the good ncaa players who don't make it to the nba go to Europe. Even if you'd think that Europeans have less athleticism, they do import it. Most streetballers will simply not be good enough or else would be making pretty good money in Europe.
Shooting certainly isn't a problem in the Euroleague as there are tons of very very good shooters in the Euroleague. You make it sound like streetballers are generally better than Euroleague players when you say that "they can help any euro team win", which is way way off. A lot of teams in Europe play at a much slower, more deliberate pace than in the NBA, with much more focus on teamball and a lot less on topplayers and isolations. Last year the topscorer in the Euroleague regular season (10 games) averaged less than 20 points a game. The streetball mentality of individual play would in no way thrive in Europe.
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joey_hesketh wrote: View PostAnyone else notice how the Announcer was calling Derozan "LAX" and "Kid Fly"?
I think that was Derozan anyway.
I kinda like LAX ... Kid Fly works too.
Both are better than Kid Comp-10 or whatever are calling him these days. haha
ADD That was a SICK off the backboard to himself.
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joey_hesketh wrote: View PostIt's the name of the main Airport in LA... he's from LA and he FLIES. Works for me.
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Tim W. wrote: View PostCan they play in a structured system? Can they subjugate their skills to fit in, rather than show off? Can they pass? Can they defend their position? Can they score against a structured defense? Can they win?
Moves are great, but it's only half of what you need to make it in the NBA. Rafer Alston didn't do well in the NBA until he'd had the street knocked out of his game.
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Soft Euro wrote: View PostI'd like to see a source on the Solomon remark about defense. Not that I don't believe you that he said that or that it will determine my opinion, but because of curiousity.
Many of the good ncaa players who don't make it to the nba go to Europe. Even if you'd think that Europeans have less athleticism, they do import it. Most streetballers will simply not be good enough or else would be making pretty good money in Europe.
Shooting certainly isn't a problem in the Euroleague as there are tons of very very good shooters in the Euroleague. You make it sound like streetballers are generally better than Euroleague players when you say that "they can help any euro team win", which is way way off. A lot of teams in Europe play at a much slower, more deliberate pace than in the NBA, with much more focus on teamball and a lot less on topplayers and isolations. Last year the topscorer in the Euroleague regular season (10 games) averaged less than 20 points a game. The streetball mentality of individual play would in no way thrive in Europe.Last edited by Red and White; Thu Aug 11, 2011, 10:40 PM.
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