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  • #16
    TRex wrote: View Post
    Avery Johnson btw is also available. Led the Mavs to the NBA Finals back in 06.
    Honestly not sure how I feel about him. Hasn't been able to repeat that success...and that also ended up being one of the worst Finals collapses by a team ever.

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    • #17
      you can't lose a game like this plain and simple. Very Very bad coaching tonight, i thought we had this game locked after we started 27 - 9. But retarded substitutions and garbage overall bench play blew the game for us

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      • #18
        Nobody brings up the big games we've won under him, little a coach can do when the players don't produce, He goes off all game from the sideline reminding shouting and leading them on defense cause he knows he cant trust them to do it themselves yet... Casey coached an awful Minnesota team with only Kevin Garnett with a bunch of scrubs to .500 ball and was surprisingly fired the coach that took his place ran the wolves into the ground. he led a a japanes team to the the world championships in asia after 30 years of the team not making it. Dallas has a a championship because of him Carlisle let him close out a lot of games in that run ahem Lakers sweep and finals game 2 and 4 not to mention the mastermind behind stopping LBJ Bosh and D Wade for a series...

        Its the team not Casey no coach I dont care who it is could win with what the reserves did tonight yes you can say he should have subbed them out, but sooner or later you need some people off the bench to provide something anything to help the team win. I dont get the DC hate fans seriously do not know how fortunate they are to have him leading the Raptors team.

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        • #19
          Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
          Nobody brings up the big games we've won under him, little a coach can do when the players don't produce, He goes off all game from the sideline reminding shouting and leading them on defense cause he knows he cant trust them to do it themselves yet... Casey coached an awful Minnesota team with only Kevin Garnett with a bunch of scrubs to .500 ball and was surprisingly fired the coach that took his place ran the wolves into the ground. he led a a japanes team to the the world championships in asia after 30 years of the team not making it. Dallas has a a championship because of him Carlisle let him close out a lot of games in that run ahem Lakers sweep and finals game 2 and 4 not to mention the mastermind behind stopping LBJ Bosh and D Wade for a series...

          Its the team not Casey no coach I dont care who it is could win with what the reserves did tonight yes you can say he should have subbed them out, but sooner or later you need some people off the bench to provide something anything to help the team win. I dont get the DC hate fans seriously do not know how fortunate they are to have him leading the Raptors team.
          a very big +1

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          • #20
            Bring in Nate Mcmillan, great defensive coach, lots of head-coaching experience compared to Casey, has wonderful offensive sets (watch Portland during the Brandon Roy days, they were so clean and efficient - but very slow), and holds people TRULY accountable.

            He'll do wonders for a team with this much potential on both ends.

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            • #21
              seems to me 9th is the spot were going for. bargs and a future first rounder is a much better trade chip than bargs alone.

              Casey is a good coach. his bench sucks and anytime they don't show up we are going to lose. he only has one bench option and it is to throw out 3 different volume shooters and hope one gets going.

              bargs has just been horrible since going to the bench. so bad. so so so bad. but the only other option he has is give up on the season and play acy or offensively inept fields. his only hope is bargs comes in and makes some baskets.

              I would have liked to see telfair get more burn but the Playbook of "anyone of the bench players you pass the ball to is going to shoot it right away" must be difficult tl master.

              I understand the hurt after all the recent optimism and we are being shat on by worse teams then us.

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              • #22
                I want to add his rotations vs the knicks

                We had amare + chandler down to 5 fouls. So the knicks bench chandler. Casey's response? Go 4 guards and chuck threes for the next ten minutes. Like what the fuck really?

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                • #23
                  Just wanted to add to this discussion that most coaches make almost no difference to their team's success. I wish I still had the link to the research, but only a handful of NBA coaches consistently produce winning results across multiple rosters and teams; like 95% of the time it's the talent level on the roster that matters. Sure coaches can sabotage teams by being awful, but it takes a truly rare and exceptional coach to get his players playing above their abilities consistently. You can argue all you like about whether Casey is that kind of sabotaging force, but to expect him to work miracles with this roster is a bit silly.

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                  • #24
                    Lark Benson wrote: View Post
                    Just wanted to add to this discussion that most coaches make almost no difference to their team's success. I wish I still had the link to the research, but only a handful of NBA coaches consistently produce winning results across multiple rosters and teams; like 95% of the time it's the talent level on the roster that matters. Sure coaches can sabotage teams by being awful, but it takes a truly rare and exceptional coach to get his players playing above their abilities consistently. You can argue all you like about whether Casey is that kind of sabotaging force, but to expect him to work miracles with this roster is a bit silly.
                    I think that is the issue here.

                    The Raptors do in fact have talent. They aren't deep and they aren't overwhelmed by it but there are some pieces here.

                    No, Casey might not lead to wins but he can certainly help avoid losses. He is making some dumb ass decisions that were easily ignored or unnoticed with the talent level of last year and early this year.

                    Forget X's and O's. Forget sub patterns. Forget matchups. Forget screwing over JV and TR.

                    The number one concern I have right now is his lack to motivate.

                    Motivation has always been Casey's calling card. Guys bought in. Guys played hard. Guys were motivated.

                    These last 2 games - the most important games of the last 2 seasons (actually nearly 4 seasons) - were a serious let down.

                    I don't know why this is but whatever the reason that falls on the coach - fair or not.

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                    • #25
                      So you're saying you blame a lack of motivation during a playoff race on the coach and not the players? Gotcha.

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                      • #26
                        I don't think the team is playing unmotivated. I thought they played hard last night... I just don't think they played very well.

                        Maybe the honeymoon phase of the Rudy Gay trade skewed people's expectations a little too high but I still see this roster with some glaring holes. They still don't have a real backup PG (JL3 doesn't count), they have no real back to the basket option on offense, their sixth man is hitting rock bottom in his NBA career, they have a rookie starting at centre, the rest of their bench is completely hit or miss from game to game and their two best players are more often than not sub .500 shooters even during their best games.

                        The last two games are beyond disappointing, especially with what was on the line. But this isn't the Heat/Thunder where you can expect them to beat teams like the Cavs just by showing up. They still don't have a top 16 roster in the league and when that's the case... no game is a guarantee.

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                        • #27
                          Fully wrote: View Post
                          I don't think the team is playing unmotivated. I thought they played hard last night... I just don't think they played very well.

                          Maybe the honeymoon phase of the Rudy Gay trade skewed people's expectations a little too high but I still see this roster with some glaring holes. They still don't have a real backup PG (JL3 doesn't count), they have no real back to the basket option on offense, their sixth man is hitting rock bottom in his NBA career, they have a rookie starting at centre, the rest of their bench is completely hit or miss from game to game and their two best players are more often than not sub .500 shooters even during their best games.

                          The last two games are beyond disappointing, especially with what was on the line. But this isn't the Heat/Thunder where you can expect them to beat teams like the Cavs just by showing up. They still don't have a top 16 roster in the league and when that's the case... no game is a guarantee.
                          +1

                          Casey has made some odd decisions but he's a guy that the players want to play for (well everyone except for Bargnani apparently). That's actually very important. Lowry hated playing for McHale and got traded because of it.

                          Casey is not a perfect coach but the Raptors are far from being a perfect team. They have many holes as you stated, and that is really on Colangelo to improve, who I still don't think should be running the show.

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                          • #28
                            I like casey But i hate his rotations . There is no excuse to ride anderson for so long and leave ross on the bench.

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                            • #29
                              For me, Casey's biggest problems are:

                              1. His refusal to set on a consistent rotation.
                              2. His inability to instill any discipline in terms of shot selection (far too many wasted possessions throughout the course of a game).

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                              • #30
                                We're playing as a group of individual chuckers with token big guys. As Chuck always says, you don't live by the jumpers. You die by the jumpers. This emphasizes a glaring hole in the middle. We simply lack the talent up front especially since Bargnani cannot give two f*cks about this team.

                                Our roster has an imbalance and it's not all Casey's fault. I actually thought he adjusted his game plan in terms of how they go about their offense, opening it more up as opposed to structuring it with the ever predictable plays. He got Demar and Rudy attacking early and often. They got the ball inside and the tempo was faster than our usual.

                                His mistakes started with playing small ball with the bench but seriously, Gray? Bargnani? That leaves you with very little options. I would consider leaving Gray in with the bench since he actually takes up space and rebounds. The bench did nothing for us; completely scrubbed.

                                Why he would leave Bargnani the "floor spacer" is beyond me. But the trio of Gay, Lowry and Derozan were actually really effective.


                                -- Charles Barkley

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