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  • themasao
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    Maybe someone has mentioned this already, but they have GOT to let BC go at the end of the season. Don't renew his contract. Let Stefanski run things if you must. The point is that as long as BC is here, bot DC and AB basically have unfair immunity.

    Like with Sam Mitchell and Colangelo, the coach is only safe as long as he's performing well. As long as the old GM is still around, this really isn't the case.

    I'm not saying fire DC, I'm not nearly ready to make that decision yet. But it's not even a realistic option as long as BC is around.

    Oh, and fire BC because...he's BC. That alone should be a good enough reason.

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  • ezz_bee
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    jimmie wrote: View Post
    At this level, motivation is never on the coach, IMO. However, a coach can and should control who gets PT, and what they do with their PT in terms of fulfilling their role and not going beyond it.
    I actually disagree with this comment, sort of. While I agree that a coach shouldn't need to motivate players for big games. That said I'm of the opinion that the biggest part of coaching, (and I would argue also argue that it's the factor that separates those coaches who make a statistical difference and those who don't) is mental focus

    Yes, talent wins in he NBA, but once you get past the first round it becomes difficult to determine which team is more talented. Was San Antonio more talented last year than OKC? Was OKC last year more talented than Miami? At that point it's about match ups and style of play.

    It's about imposing your game on the opponent and execution to me that's the role of the coach, not to motivate that players, but make sure that their using that motivation in the right way.

    A tangible example of this is Carlisle's use of Terry during the Mavs championship run. I'm not sure there was a player MORE motivated to win the Championship that year, I mean the guy tatooed the trophy on his body during the regular season. Yet, Terry was always an energy guy who had problems make good decision.

    I don't have a source and this is a Carlisle anecdote that I'm peraphrasing but here goes. Carlisle has said that in the playoffs, when Terry was taking bad shoots (well, taking bad shoots that weren't going in) that he (Carlisle) would sub him out, but wouldn't try to tell him to take better shots, or do anything different, he'd just say something like, "I'm going to put you back in just let me know when you're ready."

    Two or three possessions later Terry would come up to Carlisle and say "I'm ready". Carlisle immediately subs him in and Terry scores 9 straight points or some other terry-esque feat. What did Carlisle actually do? There's no motivation speech, no X's or O's, no strategy or advice, didn't go to a different player, bench him because "he just wasn't hot tonight" no, he just used a technique that he found worked for Terry that made sure his motivation was used in the right way.

    Obviously, it takes different methods for different players, sometimes different methods for the same players on different days, BUT keeping players mentally focused is biggest and most important part of what a coach does, and although I don't think it's motivation, a lot of times it seems like motivation.

    This is something that Phil Jackson is routinely credited with, and again, I think we can all agree that Kobe Bryant, is a pretty motivated guy. Well what would Jackson due to keep bryant focused? A number of things, but one was to quip references to MJ, something like, "Do you think Jordan only took 1000 jump shots a day?" and of course, Kobe would go out and shoot 2000 jump shots, because he wants to be better than Jordan. I don't know how many jump shots Jordan took, and he may not of taking any, but it was a techique that Jackson know would light a fire under kobe's ass.

    Yes, talent wins in the NBA to a point after which it comes down to which team is mentally tougher, and this is where the coach, more than any other person in the organisation, makes a difference.

    I would agree, Casey hasn't had the team focused the way they need to be, and motivation is a component of that, but I'm not ready to call for him to be fired yet, I think he gets next season as well, and you re-evaluate afterwards. He's still got some games left to get these guys back on track even though playoffs are over with (will at least according to me and most of the other posters on here).

    Unfortunately, for those of us who want see more Ross & JV I came across this tidbit on Doug Smith's blogl (which I went to to read about his blurb about bargnani)

    Regardless of what you or I think, these guys are not going to give up the ghost of a playoff race yet.
    Not sure when the inevitable hits home and the race is over — six back in 10th with just 24 to go seems an impossible task — but just listening to them in the locker room after the Cleveland game hammers home their continued confidence.
    They were disappointed, frustrated and ticked off, of course, but no one was throwing in the towel; not Dwane Casey, not the three of four players I talked to.
    And you may say it’s silly to think that way but what you think, or I think, doesn’t really matter. Until it’s over, it’s not over.
    So if you’re looking for 30 minutes a night for Terrence Ross or 40 minutes a night for Jonas Valanciunas or 15 minutes a night for Quincy Acy, you’re not going to get it yet.
    Please don’t whine, it’s not your decision and until you get Dwane’s job, there’s nothing you can do about it.
    So there you have it. The raps still think they've got a chance and the Rook's minutes aren't going to change that much in the next few games. And that's annoying for me.

    #anderson2thabench

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  • OldSchool
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    It's easy to see that Casey's a stand up guy. He seems to have the players respect and others look up to him. He IS a rookie coach, however, and it does show every now and then. With that said, I still think he'll figure things out sooner or later and when that time comes I get the feeling he might just be the perfect fit for this team... we've already had our fair share of loser, go-nowhere coaches. I's rather take my chances with Casey and see if he pans out (like I think he will) rather than taking a chance with yet another coach and playing that same old identity game again.

    New players and injuries not to mention all the other dumb-ass distractions that seem to allways follow this team - Let Casey figure it out, give the man some more patience and stop acting like you know more than the people on the sidelines, in practice and who know the players on a personal level - when all your knowledge come from watching games on f*&^ng TSN.

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  • Rapstor4Life
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    Colangelo has to do some major shopping this off season to address Casey's needs he cant give him talentless hacks like what our bench is comprised of (save for Ross and Acy)

    It honestly raises the question what was Bargnani doing in rehab, practice and shoot arounds? Shitting himself? holy shit...

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  • Checkines
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    Keep with Casey, one more year at least...I hate recycling through coaches. Same issue with the NFL. Always been a firm believer in giving coaches 3 years. Let's be honest, this is where most people thought the Raptors would be, somewhere close to the playoffs, maybe a shot at the 8th seed. We will most likely be giving up a 9-14 lottery pick in a weak draft which everyone would be satisfied with.

    I mean sure Casey has struggled, without a doubt at times. I couldn't believe he didn't put Val in during the 4th quarter. As well I would rather play T-Ross than Anderson. He's working with a much different roster than last year and really without the 4-19 start we would be 19-16 which would be better than my expectations with a roster that has gone through so much turnover from last season.

    Every team loses a couple ugly games like we have the past 2 days, and every team pulls off a strong team win like they did against the Knicks twice

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  • Nilanka
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    ebrian wrote: View Post
    What the hell.. they're only now 'close to' losing confidence in him? How much longer is it going to take?!
    Fully wrote: View Post
    I came to post almost the exact same thing. Apparently Bargnani is going to do nothing short of taking a dump at midcourt before some people in the Raptors organization see the light.
    I sincerely hope that Doug Smith is sugar-coating the issue just a tad, where in reality, the Bargnani problem is bigger than it appears.

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  • urbanmonk15
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    read every point at the top and I agree. #1 choice is Mike Brown. He checks all the boxes. Just saying

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  • Fully
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    ebrian wrote: View Post
    What the hell.. they're only now 'close to' losing confidence in him? How much longer is it going to take?!
    I came to post almost the exact same thing. Apparently Bargnani is going to do nothing short of taking a dump at midcourt before some people in the Raptors organization see the light.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    ebrian wrote: View Post
    What the hell.. they're only now 'close to' losing confidence in him? How much longer is it going to take?!
    lol

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  • ebrian
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    Bendit wrote: View Post
    "Motivation" has been brought up multiple times in this thread (or lack of). I have sensed that too and of course Casey's inexplicable lack of feel for how the game is proceeding (ebb & flows) and making adjustments/replacements/time outs. Re the motivation, Doug Smith (Star) has a piece today slamming Bargnani's efforts last night and mentions that the team is close to losing confidence in him. DS at the best of times does not put out stuff like that. Seems like some have spoken to him about it already.
    What the hell.. they're only now 'close to' losing confidence in him? How much longer is it going to take?!

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  • NoPropsneeded
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    Bc fucked up yet again. He should've pulled the trigger on the boozer deal. When Val and Amir aren't playing we get eaten up on the glass. We need a another big that can score Down low and rebound. I say we go for al Jefferson this off season

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  • Bendit
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    "Motivation" has been brought up multiple times in this thread (or lack of). I have sensed that too and of course Casey's inexplicable lack of feel for how the game is proceeding (ebb & flows) and making adjustments/replacements/time outs. Re the motivation, Doug Smith (Star) has a piece today slamming Bargnani's efforts last night and mentions that the team is close to losing confidence in him. DS at the best of times does not put out stuff like that. Seems like some have spoken to him about it already.


    http://www.thestar.com/sports/raptor...tes_smith.html

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Lark Benson wrote: View Post
    So you're saying you blame a lack of motivation during a playoff race on the coach and not the players? Gotcha.
    Pretty much.

    At the end of the day it is the coach's responsibility to get the most out of his players talent.

    The last 2 games he has not done that..... not even close. The team has looked lost.

    To make matters worse, the game plan looks flawed, the game management has been brutal, and the execution is horrible (which has been an on going issue).

    Players aren't stupid. If they don't believe in his abilities or decisions as coach (which many fans are questioning of late), motivation is destined to be lacking for the players.

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  • RobertArchibald
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    Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Nobody brings up the big games we've won under him, little a coach can do when the players don't produce, He goes off all game from the sideline reminding shouting and leading them on defense cause he knows he cant trust them to do it themselves yet... Casey coached an awful Minnesota team with only Kevin Garnett with a bunch of scrubs to .500 ball and was surprisingly fired the coach that took his place ran the wolves into the ground. he led a a japanes team to the the world championships in asia after 30 years of the team not making it. Dallas has a a championship because of him Carlisle let him close out a lot of games in that run ahem Lakers sweep and finals game 2 and 4 not to mention the mastermind behind stopping LBJ Bosh and D Wade for a series...

    Its the team not Casey no coach I dont care who it is could win with what the reserves did tonight yes you can say he should have subbed them out, but sooner or later you need some people off the bench to provide something anything to help the team win. I dont get the DC hate fans seriously do not know how fortunate they are to have him leading the Raptors team.

    This is exactly why he's not a great Head Coach in this league. Not debating his effort and desire to win. You can scream and shout all you want but if your systems don't work you're in and endless cycle. Need to be able to adapt on the fly and have a number of different options and be able to implement them. Be it, with correct personnel or proper understanding of mismatches. A defensive specialist is fine but there are 2 sides to the game. I truly believe the players don't have a lot to work with or understand exactly what they're supposed to be doing. I'm fine with DC as an assistant coach/defensive coordinator. Just not confident in him running the show.

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  • Nilanka
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    jimmie wrote: View Post
    I think Anderson and Lucas should be end-of-benchers for the rest of the year. Just accept giving up the pick this year, and develop Valanciunas and Ross. Get Fields as many minutes as he can handle, because you're going to need him playing 20-25 a game next season. Spot minutes for Bargnani/Gray behind Amir and Jonas, and Telfair behind Lowry.
    I support this message.

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