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Last edited by Fully; Sat Jul 6, 2013, 06:39 PM.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostThe only thing you can proved is toronto and cleveland had bad maNagement.
Toronto has new management and shouldn't be tarred with same brush.
San Antonio, clippers, OKC all come to mind of teams who did turn it around with #1 pick.
San Antonio is San Antonio. They're one of a kind.
The Clippers were shit for how long while continuing to get high draft picks?
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Sam17 wrote: View Postlol OKC doesn't count, they were just lucky. But anyway I'm against tanking too We've known this team long enough to understand that something will go terribly wrong if we tank just cause we're the Raptors
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lol OKC doesn't count, they were just lucky. But anyway I'm against tanking too We've known this team long enough to understand that something will go terribly wrong if we tank just cause we're the Raptors
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LBF wrote: View PostHow are they bad examples for what I'm trying to prove?
Toronto has new management and shouldn't be tarred with same brush.
San Antonio, clippers, OKC all come to mind of teams who did turn it around with #1 pick.
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Fully wrote: View PostSo you don't think the Raptors front office will make good choices in trades, drafting and free agency over the next 5 years? If that's the case, we've got problems no matter what direction they decide to go.
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LBF wrote: View PostSo, we tank. Get the first overall pick. Draft Wiggins. He lives up to what he's supposed to. Than What?
If you haven't planned past these above steps.. Allow me to show you what happens...
Lebron James happens.
And by that I mean you can't surround him with good players and he leaves.
Or wait..here's an example, that resonates closer to home. Chris Bosh happens.
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LBF wrote: View PostSo, we tank. Get the first overall pick. Draft Wiggins. He lives up to what he's supposed to. Than What?
If you haven't planned past these above steps.. Allow me to show you what happens...
Lebron James happens.
And by that I mean you can't surround him with good players and he leaves.
Or wait..here's an example, that resonates closer to home. Chris Bosh happens.
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What are you trying to prove? That with bad management a high draft pick will not save the team? Or that having a house with no roof has its drawbacks?
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Matt52 wrote: View PostBad examples.
Both teams were horribly mismanaged and had no flexibility to make meaningful additions.
Cap space and exceptions were not used to secure value contracts.
Trades were shortsighted and each trade made the flexibility less and less.
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LBF wrote: View PostSo, we tank. Get the first overall pick. Draft Wiggins. He lives up to what he's supposed to. Than What?
If you haven't planned past these above steps.. Allow me to show you what happens...
Lebron James happens.
And by that I mean you can't surround him with good players and he leaves.
Or wait..here's an example, that resonates closer to home. Chris Bosh happens.
Both teams were horribly mismanaged and had no flexibility to make meaningful additions.
Cap space and exceptions were not used to secure value contracts.
Trades were shortsighted and each trade made the flexibility less and less.
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Let's also make sure we never sign any good players in free agency. They might leave if it doesn't work out.
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For Those Of You Who Are In Favour Of Tanking
So, we tank. Get the first overall pick. Draft Wiggins. He lives up to what he's supposed to. Than What?
If you haven't planned past these above steps.. Allow me to show you what happens...
Lebron James happens.
And by that I mean you can't surround him with good players and he leaves.
Or wait..here's an example, that resonates closer to home. Chris Bosh happens.
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Miekenstien wrote: View PostColangelo building towards the future is not trading one pick in one draft.
Masai is aquiring as many picks as possible.
I am certain we would be giving these future second rounders and no first would be coming back if bc made this trade or he would have brought in amare and summer hyped the new knee procedure as magical
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magoon wrote: View PostWE'RE RETOOLING: See, Masai just chopped off some useless salary and gave us room to maneuver! Getting rid of Bargs makes the team better because we don't have him!
WE'RE TANKING: If Masai can get this much for Bargs, what can he get us for a GOOD player?
Masai is aquiring as many picks as possible.
I am certain we would be giving these future second rounders and no first would be coming back if bc made this trade or he would have brought in amare and summer hyped the new knee procedure as magical
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