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  • Rapstor4Life
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    RAPTORNATION wrote: View Post
    Then how do we increase our depth?
    Make some good moves there are plenty of free agents and pieces we can trade to tighten up thatt bench unit, the main problem was Lucas or Calderon I had no idea running point for 10-15 minutes a night could completely destroy the game so much.

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  • RAPTORNATION
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    Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    A lot of the loses are dont forget from a shitty bench unit that was a complete negative anytime they stepped on the court, turnovers, no offense no defense nothing. The Raps starters showed they could play with any team but when ever the subs checked in all they did was start digging a hole.

    Its not like we played those games against Bucks and Heat (save for 1 dreadful night against the Bucks) where the Raps were awful from the start, it was an overall theme Raps cruise playing awesome bench comes in wets the bed starters have to fight back and they lose. Rap Bench: Lucas, Ross, Anderson/and or Fields, Acy

    A small SG chucker running point who cant execute the simplest of offenses, a rookie, a chucker playing above his talents, A glue guy that cant score and a undersized PF rookie.... what on Earth are people expecting.... I wont even list Bargnani you all know what he did this season..
    Then how do we increase our depth?

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  • slaw
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    Don't mistake the fact that the Raps match up well against Indiana with the idea that the Raps are close, etc. Indiana is a vastly superior team to Toronto. Pacers manhandled the Knicks and could very well be up 3-1 on Miami.

    Raps are nowhere close to the Pacers and Heat.

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  • ceez
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    To win close games you need a big you can dump the ball to and score on the block. Same with the playoffs. Love Amir but he can't really do that. He's a great player, though. JV was showing some real promise at it. At the end of the season i'd get so enraged when they stopped running the offense through flying V.

    I'd get a big who can score on the block, but more of a stopgap solution. I think Val will be able to do it consistently in the future, and when that happens amir will be the perfect compliment, but for now if they're serious about winning and playoffs they should get a dude like Jefferson or someone.

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  • tenforthewin
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    The Pacers have David West and we have Amir Johnson, big difference. To improve this team, we need to acquire players like Millsap, Al Jeff, or Lamarcus Aldridge. Personally, I see Millsap as attainable by giving them DD + fillers and we flip Bargnani for a backup SG or SF + PG

    Lowry/Backup PG VS Hill
    Fields/Ross Stephenson
    Gay/Backup SF George
    Millsap/Amir/Acy West
    Val/Gray Hibbert

    Lowry = Hill
    Fields < Stephenson
    Gay = George
    Millsap < West
    Val > Hibbert

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  • Rapstor4Life
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    A lot of the loses are dont forget from a shitty bench unit that was a complete negative anytime they stepped on the court, turnovers, no offense no defense nothing. The Raps starters showed they could play with any team but when ever the subs checked in all they did was start digging a hole.

    Its not like we played those games against Bucks and Heat (save for 1 dreadful night against the Bucks) where the Raps were awful from the start, it was an overall theme Raps cruise playing awesome bench comes in wets the bed starters have to fight back and they lose. Rap Bench: Lucas, Ross, Anderson/and or Fields, Acy

    A small SG chucker running point who cant execute the simplest of offenses, a rookie, a chucker playing above his talents, A glue guy that cant score and a undersized PF rookie.... what on Earth are people expecting.... I wont even list Bargnani you all know what he did this season..

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  • Puffer
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    ezz_bee wrote: View Post
    I hate to rain on your parade, because the raps DID play well against the pacers but ....
    Exactly.

    You can argue that playoff basketball is different Iand it is, for several reasons) but even my wife commented on the play during one of the Pacers/Miami games; on how much better either team looked than the Raptors.

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  • ezz_bee
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    I hate to rain on your parade, because the raps DID play well against the pacers but any argument that says the raps are close to being a good team because they played well against 1 particular team is completely negated by the following...

    Raps got swept by the bucks (0-3) including a couple of games that really mattered down the stretch.
    and the Heat (0-4)

    Bucks got swept by the Heat...

    The raps are still a L O N G way from the pacers, despite playing well against them this season.

    Just to put things in perspective here's how we did against other teams

    We got swept by 8 teams during the regular season:
    Golden State 0 2
    Memphis 0 2
    Miami 0 3
    Milwaukee 0 3
    Oklahoma City 0 2
    Sacramento 0 2
    San Antonio 0 2
    Utah 0 2

    We lost the regular season series to another 4 teams
    Atlanta 1 2
    Boston 1 3
    Brooklyn 1 3
    Philadelphia 1 3

    3 of which are in our division...

    We tied 12 regular season series':
    Charlotte 2 2
    Cleveland 2 2
    Dallas 1 1
    Denver 1 1
    Detriot 2 2
    Houston 1 1
    Indiana 2 2
    L. A. Clippers 1 1
    L. A. Lakers 1 1
    New York 2 2
    Portland 1 1
    Washington 2 2

    We swept 4 series':
    Minnesota 2 0
    New Orleans 2 0
    Orlando 4 0
    Phoenix 2 0

    And won 1 other regular season series:
    Chicago 2 1

    So in case you are keeping track at home, we

    Lost 12 out of 29 series, including 8 sweeps
    Tied 12 out of 29 series
    Won 5 out of 29 series, including 4 sweeps


    We are not anywhere NEAR Indiana. If we played them in playoffs we'd be lucky to win 2 games.

    EDIT

    And to think that we beat this team 2 out of 4 times this past season(almost 3 actually. Hill scored late in the clock back in game 1 of the season to give the Pacers the win).
    We beat Indiana by 2 in both of our wins.
    We Lost by 2 in 1 game and 12 in the final meeting
    Cumulative score differential Indy, by 10...

    If we came close to beating them 3 out 4, they came almost as close to sweeping us entirely.
    Last edited by ezz_bee; Thu May 30, 2013, 05:48 AM.

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  • Chr1s1anL
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    TRex wrote: View Post
    Watching the Pacers in these playoffs specially against the Heat i'm impressed. And to think that we beat this team 2 out of 4 times this past season(almost 3 actually. Hill scored late in the clock back in game 1 of the season to give the Pacers the win). I really don't think this Raptors team is that far off from being a competitive team. And i also think they have a lot of similarities with this current Pacers team. I mean, the only thing that they're missing really is a David West type of a power forward.

    Hibbert - Valanciunas
    West - N/A
    George - Gay
    Stephenson - DeRozan
    Hill - Lowry

    JV i think is going to be a better player than Hibbert. George and Gay offset each other. Ok, i give the edge to George. Stephenson is a much better defender than DeRozan but DeRozan is a much better offensive player. Hill > Lowry.

    What this team needs is a PF. No offense to Amir but i don't think he's good enough. If they can get a player like a Millsap or an Al Jefferson, they'll be one of the best team in the league.

    Btw, Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap and JJ Hickson are all UFA's. David West is also a UFA but he's not going anywhere.
    I've made this point a couple times. I'm glad that someone else shares the same thought. I would only disagree with you with the Hill/Lowry. I think Lowry is the better overall player. I also think that Stephenson is more of a glue guy. Just like I feel Landry Fields would be in the starting lineup. I like the idea of having the two duo wings scoring threat. I feel like JV will become more dominant low post scorer and DD/RG will take care of the perimeter scoring. As long Casey can get the D back to his first year. I don't see how this team doesn't involve into a different mould of this Pacer team.

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  • The Great One
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    Raptors/Pacers season series

    Watching the Pacers in these playoffs specially against the Heat i'm impressed. And to think that we beat this team 2 out of 4 times this past season(almost 3 actually. Hill scored late in the clock back in game 1 of the season to give the Pacers the win). I really don't think this Raptors team is that far off from being a competitive team. And i also think they have a lot of similarities with this current Pacers team. I mean, the only thing that they're missing really is a David West type of a power forward.

    Hibbert - Valanciunas
    West - N/A
    George - Gay
    Stephenson - DeRozan
    Hill - Lowry

    JV i think is going to be a better player than Hibbert. George and Gay offset each other. Ok, i give the edge to George. Stephenson is a much better defender than DeRozan but DeRozan is a much better offensive player. Hill > Lowry.

    What this team needs is a PF. No offense to Amir but i don't think he's good enough. If they can get a player like a Millsap or an Al Jefferson, they'll be one of the best team in the league.

    Btw, Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap and JJ Hickson are all UFA's. David West is also a UFA but he's not going anywhere.
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