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I Miami's case it may also be about not be to strenuous for Wade, and to a lesser extent lebron and bosh
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hotfuzz wrote: View PostDon't forget that some teams have a notorious habit of playing to the level of competition in the regular season. Miami is very guilty of this, but that doesn't mean that the teams that barely lost to Miami are close to them.
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feet85 wrote: View Post-ezz_bee Lost 12 out of 29 series, including 8 sweeps
Tied 12 out of 29 series
Won 5 out of 29 series, including 4 sweeps
You Need To understand that Rudy Gay wasn't there for the majority of these games and he makes a huge difference. I honestly think that we could be a top 6 seed in the East next season with the addition of a proper pg rotation (Deven Harris and Ben Uzoh)
Atlanta 1 1
Boston 1 2
Brooklyn 1 0
Charlotte 1 1
Chicago 2 0
Cleveland 1 1
Denver 1 0
Detroit 1 1
Golden State 0 1
Indiana 1 1
L.A. Clippers 1 0
L.A. Lakers 0 1
Memphis 0 1
Miami 0 2
Milwaukee 0 2
Minnesota 1 0
New Orleans 1 0
New York 2 2
Phoenix 1 0
Washington 2 2
The over record is better with Gay, as we went 18 & 18, but again I would say that there are as many causes for concern as there are reasons to celebrate.
Even with Gay we still split games with Washington, Cleveland, Charlotte and Detroit AND couldn't beat the bucks in TWO (2) critical games.
As to the bold, I do think we have a shot a the 6th seed next year (athough, I think i'm probably a little more skeptical about that outcome than you) however, the fact that we still need some player development plus minor roster tweaks to get to sixth, only helps to highlight my argument that we are a LONG way from the Pacers, who were considered the top two team in the conference almost all season. Even without their most TALANTED player.
Again, looking at the Pacers specifically, without gay we lost by two(2) and won by (2), with him we won by (2), and lost by twelve(12), so in that specific case you can argue that we a better match up with pacers before the Gay trade.
Now i'll be the first to admit that comparing two teams, using only 4 games, 2 with gay and 2 without gay, just isn't that useful in providing enough info to produce meaningful conclusions, what it does help to do though is reinforce that the hypothesis in the OP, that based on the 4 regular season games between the Raps and Pacers, we can conclude that the raps are similar to the Pacers and aren't far from matching their success, is EQUALLY MEANINGLESS.
hotfuzz wrote: View PostDon't forget that some teams have a notorious habit of playing to the level of competition in the regular season. Miami is very guilty of this, but that doesn't mean that the teams that barely lost to Miami are close to them.
TRex wrote: View PostRaptors lost a lot of games last season because of poor execution late in the game. And coaching IMO has a lot to do with that.
So again, sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but the raps, whether you look at them pre gay post gay, are a tier or 3 below the pacers.Last edited by ezz_bee; Fri May 31, 2013, 07:35 AM.
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Raptors lost a lot of games last season because of poor execution late in the game. And coaching IMO has a lot to do with that.
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Don't forget that some teams have a notorious habit of playing to the level of competition in the regular season. Miami is very guilty of this, but that doesn't mean that the teams that barely lost to Miami are close to them.
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostPacers have terrible bench
...still not seeing it...
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Looks at the Raptors bench...Looks at the Pacers bench...
...No, not seeing it...
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-ezz_bee Lost 12 out of 29 series, including 8 sweeps
Tied 12 out of 29 series
Won 5 out of 29 series, including 4 sweeps
You Need To understand that Rudy Gay wasn't there for the majority of these games and he makes a huge difference. I honestly think that we could be a top 6 seed in the East next season with the addition of a proper pg rotation (Deven Harris and Ben Uzoh)
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tenforthewin wrote: View PostThe Pacers have David West and we have Amir Johnson, big difference. To improve this team, we need to acquire players like Millsap, Al Jeff, or Lamarcus Aldridge. Personally, I see Millsap as attainable by giving them DD + fillers and we flip Bargnani for a backup SG or SF + PG
Lowry/Backup PG VS Hill
Fields/Ross Stephenson
Gay/Backup SF George
Millsap/Amir/Acy West
Val/Gray Hibbert
Lowry = Hill
Fields < Stephenson
Gay = George
Millsap < West
Val > Hibbert
You can't be serious...
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Soft Euro wrote: View PostI never get that Indiana comparison that comes up quite often lately. In my opinion they are built completely different than we. One small example: they would not like to play with a small point guard like Lowry; it's not a good fit for their style.
I'd like to see the Raps play more like the Pacers defensively, and if so, the comparison would make more sense. And here's to hoping JV continues to improve down low in order to facilitate an inside-outside offense. I'm still not on the upgrade the PF movement yet, but maybe if we move one of our starting wings (I guess that would be DD) I'd be more amenable to the idea.
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I think the Indiana comparisons are even looser than that described above. It's basically boils down to, "look, they don't have a superstar player either, so we're totally like them"
Totally.
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Soft Euro wrote: View PostI never get that Indiana comparison that comes up quite often lately. In my opinion they are built completely different than we. One small example: they would not like to play with a small point guard like Lowry; it's not a good fit for their style.
I also find that Raptor fans (like every other sports fan) mostly follow their own team. I don't think people realize how good Hibbert and West are as duo or how effective guys like George Hill and Paul George are cause they don't see them play more than a few times a year. Or that the Indy team is built around a defense-first philosophy whereas Toronto is built around the "glue a bunch of random stuff together in a big ball and hope it looks like art" philosophy.
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I never get that Indiana comparison that comes up quite often lately. In my opinion they are built completely different than we. One small example: they would not like to play with a small point guard like Lowry; it's not a good fit for their style.
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