Colangelo's Acquisition of Gay..

[LBF]

Gay dealt to Cleavland for both their #1s would be fair trade. Draft Trey Burke with the #1

I was all over Trey Burke when he was in the 10-18 range.

I am not so sure a top 5 pick is worth him.

One thing to keep in mind is the strong PG crop coming out next year. Smart, Harrison, Exum, and Micic are all 6'4"-6'6".

Another thing to keep in mind is a lot can change in the next 12 months.

raps could trade Gay and or DeMAr for Clevelands first start the rebuild draft Trey Burke with the #1 and Reggie Bullock with the #19 wing great rebounder a great 3 point shot and plays D.

So Either....Gay or DeMar to Cleveland for #1 and #19

Raps line up going into 2013-14 season with this one trade...

Burke
Bullock or Ross (If DeMar is moved)
DeMar Or Bullock (If Gay is moved)
Amir
JV

Veering off-topic, boys..

We could also consider Gay being one of those second tier stars that you barely find. He's a talented player, and I feel he is a piece that this team can build WITH in order to contend. Goodness, he is a small forward with a lot intangibles, such as winning games at the end, very good on-ball defender when he puts his mind to it, great size around 6'8, 6'9, and a terrific rebounder for the SF position. Pierce, Durant, LeBron, George, Deng.. Who else?

I agree. I hope Gay stays, haven't had a wing player of gay's caliber in a loong time. You don't just trade him..unless iit's a for sure that he's not interested in staying.

[NoPropsneeded]

If this group of guys are serious about winning. Then there is no reason to blow things up

[Miekenstien]

Gay dealt to Cleavland for both their #1s would be fair trade. Draft Trey Burke with the #1

I would trade that first pick away for more. I think you can get Burke with 3. I think Orlando wants Burke but not at 2 and are trying to get another assets as well.

I don't think the Gay trade was planned for at all. I also think that bc would have given demar his money if we had Gay last off season too.

for me trading a 3rd string pf and a second rounder for Gay was a great move. unfortunately it came with 30 million in baggage.

[Bouncepass]

For the past few years everyone has touted the Raptors' financial flexibility. I think that Colangelo found out that having capspace was overrated unless your team was a serious contender for a top-shelf FA. Since the Raptors were not, another logical approach would be to use the financial room (and the owners' willingness to spend) to bring in a talented option to fill the most glaring hole in the line-up. Gay is overpaid in today's NBA, but he was an instant substantial upgrade on the wing, where the Raptors have struggled for a number of years. The price was very low, in basketball terms. The other price was lack of cap space going into the off-season, but if they wanted to bring in a top-flight player through free-agency, then they would have had to overpay a different player, and for a longer term. That's the nature of free agency.

[mcHAPPY]

For the past few years everyone has touted the Raptors' financial flexibility. I think that Colangelo found out that having capspace was overrated unless your team was a serious contender for a top-shelf FA. Since the Raptors were not, another logical approach would be to use the financial room (and the owners' willingness to spend) to bring in a talented option to fill the most glaring hole in the line-up. Gay is overpaid in today's NBA, but he was an instant substantial upgrade on the wing, where the Raptors have struggled for a number of years. The price was very low, in basketball terms. The other price was lack of cap space going into the off-season, but if they wanted to bring in a top-flight player through free-agency, then they would have had to overpay a different player, and for a longer term. That's the nature of free agency.

Cap space is for more than free agency.

The Raptors did exactly what they would have done with the cap space by trading for Gay.

The problem is the extension given to DeMar has now put them over the luxury tax without other moves. If Colangelo had waited, they could have matched any offer, and been able to avail of sign and trades without having to use the amnesty.

[Bouncepass]

Cap space is for more than free agency.

The Raptors did exactly what they would have done with the cap space by trading for Gay.

The problem is the extension given to DeMar has now put them over the luxury tax without other moves. If Colangelo had waited, they could have matched any offer, and been able to avail of sign and trades without having to use the amnesty.

Sure, but they might have ended up paying just as much for DeMar, and in the meantime seriously eroded his sense of commitment to the team. I think that we should wait and see whether DeRozan and Gay really mesh this year and give the Raptors a strong wing presence. If not, they'll have Gay's contract as an expiring the following year at which time they can look in another direction. I think the jury is still out on those moves until we see them for a full season, especially now that JV is coming into his own. I guess I'm not as pessimistic as many others are about the team's composition right now. I think they could be good, with a couple of key tweaks here and there.

[mcHAPPY]

Sure, but they might have ended up paying just as much for DeMar, and in the meantime seriously eroded his sense of commitment to the team. I think that we should wait and see whether DeRozan and Gay really mesh this year and give the Raptors a strong wing presence. If not, they'll have Gay's contract as an expiring the following year at which time they can look in another direction. I think the jury is still out on those moves until we see them for a full season, especially now that JV is coming into his own. I guess I'm not as pessimistic as many others are about the team's composition right now. I think they could be good, with a couple of key tweaks here and there.

I'm not interested in discussing the compatibility of Gay and DD in this thread. That discussion has been had and is ongoing elsewhere.

The bold is true, but the Raptors just as easily could have paid less. Mayo getting a 2 year deal at $4.2M per season (player option for 2nd) comes to mind.

With regards to DD sense of commitment to the team, that is also true. However players always say it is a business and that rubs both ways. Players do what is best for them and teams do what is best for the organization. The Raptors held all the leverage in waiting and it also provided them with more opportunities and flexibility in shaping the roster with the full MLE at their disposal and the ability to sign and trade.

[Bouncepass]

I'm not interested in discussing the compatibility of Gay and DD in this thread. That discussion has been had and is ongoing elsewhere.

The bold is true, but the Raptors just as easily could have paid less. Mayo getting a 2 year deal at $4.2M per season (player option for 2nd) comes to mind.

With regards to DD sense of commitment to the team, that is also true. However players always say it is a business and that rubs both ways. Players do what is best for them and teams do what is best for the organization. The Raptors held all the leverage in waiting and it also provided them with more opportunities and flexibility in shaping the roster with the full MLE at their disposal and the ability to sign and trade.

Okay. I thought that this thread was specifically about the acquisition of Gay, not the advisability of DD's contract.

[torch19]

I'm not interested in discussing the compatibility of Gay and DD in this thread. That discussion has been had and is ongoing elsewhere.

The bold is true, but the Raptors just as easily could have paid less. Mayo getting a 2 year deal at $4.2M per season (player option for 2nd) comes to mind.

With regards to DD sense of commitment to the team, that is also true. However players always say it is a business and that rubs both ways. Players do what is best for them and teams do what is best for the organization. The Raptors held all the leverage in waiting and it also provided them with more opportunities and flexibility in shaping the roster with the full MLE at their disposal and the ability to sign and trade.

I agree with what you are saying & if I remember correctly, Portland did the same thing about Batum. However, you run the risk of having a team come in & offer something way above his market value -- which leaves the Raptors in a difficult position to let go of your homegrown talent v matching the ridiculous offer; and this all happened before the Rudy Gay trade.

But I'm with you when you say that cap space is for more than free agency. Cap management, along with asset management are the 2 most important areas you have to excel at as a team. Colangelo manages to acquire cap space but blows it all of on a shopping spree -- instead of managing the cap in a way that keeps flexibility going forward. He really went all in & it blew up on his face, which is why he is no longer the GM.

I like the idea of having a cap manager (our new Asst. GM position), I like the idea of having a different scouting team for proper talent evaluation, I like the idea of structuring the organization in a way where our GM only has to worry about the basketball operations. I like the idea of a 5 year GM -- where he can implement a long term plan in improving our team.

What I expect is Ujiri parlaying our assets into more assets gradually & I don't consider anyone safe (even Valanciunas). But I don't sense a complete overhaul of the franchise all at once.

[mcHAPPY]

Okay. I thought that this thread was specifically about the acquisition of Gay, not the advisability of DD's contract.

I was replying to your comments on flexibility in relation to gay but gay was not the issue with maintaining flexibility, Dd contract was.

Gay and dd playing together is a different thing all together than the impacts of their respective contract and extension.