Last off-season he made it his goal to improve his post game which he did, getting stronger and learning to take advantage of mismatches against smaller defenders, and it resulted in a lot more free-throw attempts and makes.
Lets see what he can do when this improved three point shooting becomes his point of focus going into next season. I have faith.
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The fallacy of DeRozan's improving 3 point shooting!
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It shows he has potential to make threes though, it proves he's not completely incapable of ever being able to ever become an average 3-point shooter. I don't think in off-seasons past he ever made "improved three-point shooting" his #1 goal.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostWade has shot over 30% in 4 seasons of his 10 year career: rookie, 6, 7, 8.
Wade maxed out at 31.7% and then has essentially declined for the last 4 years.
Even at 30-32% 3pt shooting, that is still bad.
Comparing Wade to DeRozan also doesn't cut it because DeRozan is not nearly as efficient nor does he rebound, create, defend, or impact the game in any way that Wade does.
http://www.thenbageek.com/players/co...utf8=%E2%9C%93
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Matt52 wrote: View PostWade has shot over 30% in 4 seasons of his 10 year career: rookie, 6, 7, 8.
Wade maxed out at 31.7% and then has essentially declined for the last 4 years.
Even at 30-32% 3pt shooting, that is still bad.
Comparing Wade to DeRozan also doesn't cut it because DeRozan is not nearly as efficient nor does he rebound, create, defend, or impact the game in any way that Wade does.
http://www.thenbageek.com/players/co...utf8=%E2%9C%93
I still have faith in Rudy and Demar working well together, but it depends on some better outside shooting from both.
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drunkmunky wrote: View PostIs there any way to ignore thread titles from members? I can't see any of his posts, which is what I want, but I'd like to avoid the threads all together.
I don't know how often I read here how Raps fans mostly want players who give a shit and work hard, then we have something to cheer for, and give hope. Now the tune changes toward a player that gives that, and they're all experts on how his development is going to go from here. Those Team USA people must be out to lunch, and don't know NBA basketball at all. They should come to RR for advise.
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drunkmunky wrote: View PostIt happened.
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enlightenment wrote: View PostYou are right, everyone does get hot, but everyone also goes cold! The point of the seasons end average is to see the story behind the entire season. I dont see it a far stretch to have Derozan go above .300% next season, and I would point to D-wades 3pt improvement which only happened after his 5th season. In fact, leading up to that season his percentages were very similar to Derozans!
05-06 -> 17%
06-07 -> 26%
07-08 -> 28%
08-09 -> 32%
He then sustained his 3pt shooting above .300 for the next 3 seasons. As you can see, it is very possible for a player to steadily improve on his 3pt shooting in constant increments.
Derozans looks like this:
9.6%
26%
28%
And to make me happy, my projection for next season is
30%
Like I said in the other thread, I dont believe it is TOO much to ask!
Wade maxed out at 31.7% and then has essentially declined for the last 4 years.
Even at 30-32% 3pt shooting, that is still bad.
Comparing Wade to DeRozan also doesn't cut it because DeRozan is not nearly as efficient nor does he rebound, create, defend, or impact the game in any way that Wade does.
http://www.thenbageek.com/players/co...utf8=%E2%9C%93
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drunkmunky wrote: View PostIs there any way to ignore thread titles from members? I can't see any of his posts, which is what I want, but I'd like to avoid the threads all together.
not nice..
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Matt52 wrote: View PostThat is good. I like it.
I think the difference would be I selected consecutive games where he did most of "improvements".
My point is everyone gets hot. If you remove his hot streaks to start 2011-12 and end 2012-13, he has 136 consecutive games with little to get excited about.
05-06 -> 17%
06-07 -> 26%
07-08 -> 28%
08-09 -> 32%
He then sustained his 3pt shooting above .300 for the next 3 seasons. As you can see, it is very possible for a player to steadily improve on his 3pt shooting in constant increments.
Derozans looks like this:
9.6%
26%
28%
And to make me happy, my projection for next season is
30%
Like I said in the other thread, I dont believe it is TOO much to ask!
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Is there any way to ignore thread titles from members? I can't see any of his posts, which is what I want, but I'd like to avoid the threads all together.
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enlightenment wrote: View PostI can play this game too!:
If you remove
Nov 12: 1/6
Jan 18: 0/3
Apr 1st: 0/3
from last years total, all of a sudden by removing 3 selectively chosen games Derozan now has 33/108 makes!!
That means in 79 games, Derozan had a 3pt% of 30.5%!!
I think the difference would be I selected consecutive games where he did most of "improvements".
My point is everyone gets hot. If you remove his hot streaks to start 2011-12 and end 2012-13, he has 136 consecutive games with little to get excited about.
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I can play this game too!:
If you remove
Nov 12: 1/6
Jan 18: 0/3
Apr 1st: 0/3
from last years total, all of a sudden by removing 3 selectively chosen games Derozan now has 33/108 makes!!
That means in 79 games, Derozan had a 3pt% of 30.5%!!
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The fallacy of DeRozan's improving 3 point shooting!
The underlying argument for DeRozan fans is the hope and potential for the future based on a) his work ethic, and b) his improvements from year to year.
I can't argue the guys work ethic. I could argue his basketball IQ but I won't.
The real point of the thread is his improvements from year to year - specifically his 3pt shooting.
Before 3pt shooting, take a look at this:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...r_minute::none
I'm not sure there is drastic improvement in many areas. Certainly not enough to make one say, "He has continuously improved every year in the league" from a statistical standpoint.
Lets look specifically at his 3pt shooting:
year 1: 25% on 0.2 attempts per game (4/16)
year 2: 9.6% on 0.6 attempts per game (5/52)
year 3: 26.1% on 1.5 attempts per game (24/92)
year 4: 28.3% on 1.5 attempts per game (34/120)
Alright, looks good. Obvious regression from year 1 to year 2 combined with obvious improvement from year 2 to year 3 and 3 to 4 on more attempts each year. Awesome!
But what happens if we:
1) remove DeRozan's first 6 games of year 3 where he shot 10 for 16?
year 3 becomes: 18.4% on 0.75 attempts per game (14/76) in 57 games
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2) remove DeRozan's final 3 games of year 4 where he shot 9/12?
year 4: 23.1% on 0.73 attempts per game (24/108) in 79 games
Essentially if you remove 9 of 145 games (first 6 and last 3) from year 3 and 4, the statistics become much less encouraging for DeRozan's "hope" and "potential" at the 3pt shot over a much larger sample of 136 consecutive games.
I'd love nothing more than to proven incorrect on DeRozan's potential moving forward - just like I was with the notion of building around Bargnani. But even if he does improve his 3pt shooting SIGNIFICANTLY, he is still below average in rebounding, assists, and defense with little signs of consistent improvement over the last 4 seasons.Tags: None
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