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[planetmars]

No it isn't. Even if Ross becomes a good 3+D player... those guys can easily be had in free agency or via trade. It's pretty damn near impossible to get a center with Drummond's physical tools and skill. In fact at present there is only 1 other one in the NBA.

I don't believe in Drummond at all.. and you are right that there is only one other center like him.. but he needs to improve a lot and he had motivation issues coming out of college so will he? Alabi had a lot of potential but he's out of the league. 3+D players are not as common as you think they are. Guy can shoot or play D but not both generally... and when they can they are huge commodities since they can be put in any situation (as a starter/on the bench/or in crunch time). Plus they are gold in the playoffs.

This is absolutely untrue. Please explain to me how the Lakers won the title with Pau and Bynum up front? Both of these guys were centers before coming together and are less mobile than both JV and Drummond, just absolutely 100% incorrect.

Gasol changed his game but that was more a testament to Phil and his system. Gasol last year played poorly with Howard and was coming off the bench for D'Antoni. If you had the right system it could work, but then JV would be playing forward instead of center.. and I would rather have JV as center.

I agree that we at least should've done this but we didn't. I was still really confused as to why we didn't just trade down with Houston (8 for Lowry and 14), let them get Drummond, take Ross at 14 and still keep our 2013 pick. Oh wait I know why, it's because Nash was the first option at PG and we only wanted Lowry AFTER striking out on him.

There is no proof that Ross (or Lamb if they wanted a SG) could have been had at 14. I'm sure BC was on the phone before making that pick (although it was BC and he doesn't really work a draft in terms of moving up/down). I'm not sure I agree that Ross was picked because of Nash either. I think Ross was picked because they liked him both as a person and as a player. BC is a 'character' guy.. and Ross fits that mold.

[Xixak]

Good point. Didn't think of it like that. I can't imagine that's the intention though.

Xixak, stop responding like that. :P haha
Do like you do with the bolds kinda, just in their own Quotes.

Sure thing. It's just easier for me and I'm used to doing it on other forums. Wasn't trying to make a statement or piss anyone off.

I'll quote each paragraph separately since that's how most of you do it here.

[CalgaryRapsFan]

Good point. Didn't think of it like that. I can't imagine that's the intention though.

Xixak, stop responding like that. :P haha
Do like you do with the bolds kinda, just in their own Quotes.

haha I didn't think there was any intent behind an imbedded reply. The problem is that when you 'reply with quote', only the period is quoted. I think it's just good form for posters to properly reply, to allow the conversation to continue (even if some might prefer it to stop in some cases LOL).

[Joey]

The one downside to not making the effort to properly respond, is that you prevent other posters from responding to your post, which tends to brings an unfortunate, abrupt end to the conversation.

Good point. Didn't think of it like that. I can't imagine that's the intention though.

Xixak, stop responding like that. :P haha
Do like you do with the bolds kinda, just in their own Quotes.

[CalgaryRapsFan]

You have to put something. Can't just put in a quote. He puts a period.

In regards to the bolds, I don't see it like that at all.

The one downside to not making the effort to properly respond, is that you prevent other posters from responding to your post, which tends to brings an unfortunate, abrupt end to the conversation.

[LBF]

You have to put something. Can't just put in a quote. He puts a period.

In regards to the bolds, I don't see it like that at all.

Yeah, you're right. Nitpicking, I guess.

[Joey]

Xixak, I realize that your thing is to post your answers within the quoted post. But, the way you just put a period outside comes off rather emphatically and somewhat degrading as well. Also, you bolding your response instead of the parts in which your response is to, comes off the same way.

Just trying to clarify, if that is your intention or not?

You have to put something. Can't just put in a quote. He puts a period.

In regards to the bolds, I don't see it like that at all.

[LBF]

I put bolds cause it's easier for me to reply that way than to quote individual paragraphs. It also allows me to distinguish my text from the OP.

And the period is there because I have to have at least one character outside the quotations or it won't let me post... Not sure how I was trying to degrade anybody with that.

Your past history of degrading fellow posters somewhat emphatically may have something to do with it.

But, just was looking for clarification. Thank you for the detailed response. No further questions.

[Xixak]

Xixak, I realize that your thing is to post your answers within the quoted post. But, the way you just put a period outside comes off rather emphatically and somewhat degrading as well. Also, you bolding your response instead of the parts in which your response is to, comes off the same way.

Just trying to clarify, if that is your intention or not?

I put bolds cause it's easier for me to reply that way than to quote individual paragraphs. It also allows me to distinguish my text from the OP.

And the period is there because I have to have at least one character outside the quotations or it won't let me post... Not sure how I was trying to degrade anybody with that.

[LBF]

Xixak, I realize that your thing is to post your answers within the quoted post. But, the way you just put a period outside comes off rather emphatically and somewhat degrading as well. Also, you bolding your response instead of the parts in which your response is to, comes off the same way.

Just trying to clarify, if that is your intention or not?

[Xixak]

1st bold - too early to tell, I think

No it isn't. Even if Ross becomes a good 3+D player... those guys can easily be had in free agency or via trade. It's pretty damn near impossible to get a center with Drummond's physical tools and skill. In fact at present there is only 1 other one in the NBA.

2nd bold - not really, since the team would really only ever be able to have one of them on the court at a time, which is an issue that gets magnified when you consider the league is going small and becoming more wing-dominant

This is absolutely untrue. Please explain to me how the Lakers won the title with Pau and Bynum up front? Both of these guys were centers before coming together and are less mobile than both JV and Drummond, just absolutely 100% incorrect.

During the draft, when the Raps pick came up and Drummond was still available, I was hoping for them to trade down a couple spots to pickup an additional asset (even just adding an additional 2nd round pick or improving their own). I figured they'd still be able to get either Ross or Lamb in such a scenario. I believe BC has since said he did pursue such a move, but would have moved down to after Houston's earlier pick and feared none of the wings he liked would have still been available.

I agree that we at least should've done this but we didn't. I was still really confused as to why we didn't just trade down with Houston (8 for Lowry and 14), let them get Drummond, take Ross at 14 and still keep our 2013 pick. Oh wait I know why, it's because Nash was the first option at PG and we only wanted Lowry AFTER striking out on him.

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[p00ka]

Good lord. The reason this issue gets beat to death, is because there re still people out there so effin stubborn they would argue that Ross was a better pick than Drummond. If the stubborn buggers that continue to support this crazy idea would just admit the mistake, we could all move on.

Face it, Toronto picked the wrong guy.

You Don't think JV and Drummond on the same squad would be a MASSIVE coup????

BC cocked that up worse than any other move I remember him messing up. Period.

I respect most of your posts, but I don't know what dimension you're in at the moment. Off topic, Drummond was brought up here in an entirely different context, and nobody has said anything close to what you're on about.

[CalgaryRapsFan]

Good lord. The reason this issue gets beat to death, is because there re still people out there so effin stubborn they would argue that Ross was a better pick than Drummond. If the stubborn buggers that continue to support this crazy idea would just admit the mistake, we could all move on.

Face it, Toronto picked the wrong guy.

You Don't think JV and Drummond on the same squad would be a MASSIVE coup????

BC cocked that up worse than any other move I remember him messing up. Period.

1st bold - too early to tell, I think

2nd bold - not really, since the team would really only ever be able to have one of them on the court at a time, which is an issue that gets magnified when you consider the league is going small and becoming more wing-dominant

During the draft, when the Raps pick came up and Drummond was still available, I was hoping for them to trade down a couple spots to pickup an additional asset (even just adding an additional 2nd round pick or improving their own). I figured they'd still be able to get either Ross or Lamb in such a scenario. I believe BC has since said he did pursue such a move, but would have moved down to after Houston's earlier pick and feared none of the wings he liked would have still been available.

[Superjudge]

Good lord. The reason this issue gets beat to death, is because there re still people out there so effin stubborn they would argue that Ross was a better pick than Drummond. If the stubborn buggers that continue to support this crazy idea would just admit the mistake, we could all move on.

Face it, Toronto picked the wrong guy.

You Don't think JV and Drummond on the same squad would be a MASSIVE coup????

BC cocked that up worse than any other move I remember him messing up. Period.

[BobLoblaw]

Even if Drummond doesn't improve at all, he's a starting caliber center. It would take him going backwards, like maybe gaining a lot of weight like Eddy Curry, to be a bust at this point. Terrence Ross has a lot of work to do, if he's to justify that draft position.