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  • SI: Raps "due for most constructive season without making playoffs"

    http://nba.si.com/2013/09/11/nba-lot...thony-davis/2/


  • #2
    Well enough written piece, but this argument really drives me bananas:

    SI.com wrote:
    Given that the vast majority of a 34-win team is back, Toronto’s talent-to-cost ratio stands as among the league’s worst.
    This is NOT a 34-win team. The vast majority of a nearly .500 team are back.

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    • #3
      I agree that "34-win" team isn't the most accurate descriptor for the Raptors. But ".500" doesn't seem to be much more accurate either.

      The only thing we can all agree on is "lottery team".....for now.

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      • #4
        Nilanka wrote: View Post
        I agree that "34-win" team isn't the most accurate descriptor for the Raptors. But ".500" doesn't seem to be much more accurate either.

        The only thing we can all agree on is "lottery team".....for now.
        To be fair, I did say 'nearly .500'. Lol

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        • #5
          It's tough to argue with anything written here.... but my biggest concern is what's not written.
          Like, we get it. Advanced stats are a thing. They tell us other things. They tell us that Rudy Gay has been inefficient. But does that mean that he shouldn't even be mentioned in an article speaking to how our season is going to play out?

          Honestly I can see the flaws in Rudy's game, but I also have a feeling that he's going to have a monster year and all the people that have ragged on him since his last season in Memphis are going to have a slice of humble pie to jam in their face.
          "This just in........ THE RAPTORS ARE AMAZING!"

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          • #6
            Perhaps I'm being too simplistic, but Rudy's game really comes down to discipline (i.e. shot selection). If he can resist the urge to force contested long jumpers, his efficiency will improve significantly. To a lesser extent, this applies to DeRozan too.

            I really hope Casey highlights this during training camp. Don't waste offensive possessions by making things easy on the defense.

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            • #7
              joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
              To be fair, I did say 'nearly .500'. Lol
              On a similar note, the article did say "vast majority of a 34 wins team".

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              • #8
                how many wins did they have last year?

                Thats what they are until they post better.

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                • #9
                  joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
                  This is NOT a 34-win team. The vast majority of a nearly .500 team are back.
                  I think the author means "34-win team" as what our record was last year. Besides, putting the floor at 34 wins for this season is a good strategy as a writer, because he can't assume we will improve/downgrade.
                  Twitter - @thekid_it

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                  • #10
                    BobLoblaw wrote: View Post
                    On a similar note, the article did say "vast majority of a 34 wins team".
                    No but thats not the point. This Roster did not post 34 wins last year. Two seperate rosters combined to post 34 wins.
                    One of those Rosters performed much better than the other.

                    Extrapolating the record that the 2nd roster put up, which is what we are moving forward with, I think its unfair, and doesn't make much sense, to say this is a 34 win team.

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                    • #11
                      If you really want to get into it, the reality is that the current roster did not post any wins last year because it didn't exist last year.
                      your pal,
                      ebrian

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                      • #12
                        ebrian wrote: View Post
                        If you really want to get into it, the reality is that the current roster did not post any wins last year because it didn't exist last year.
                        Yes, but the current CORE of the roster did.
                        And we've really only improved that core, by replacing Laziness and Ineffiecency (Bargs) with Endless Effort (Psycho T) and real shooting ability (Novak); Old Back Up Legs (Telfair) and a Shot Happy PG (Lucas) with a Young, Hungry, Energetic Back up (Buycks). Oh, and replaced JV the BOY, with JV the MAN.

                        If we only win 34 games (or less), I will certainly be eating a TON of crow; but I just don't see it happening.
                        Last edited by Joey; Thu Sep 12, 2013, 11:20 AM.

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                        • #13
                          dwayne casey better get his shit together this season. imo he cost us way too many games last season.. if this team gets off to a shaky start expect the pitchfork carrying mob of angry fans to come for his neck.
                          We all make mistakes... Tanking is not the answer.. This squad can ball! Let it roll!!

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                          • #14
                            Ambidextrious wrote: View Post
                            dwayne casey better get his shit together this season. imo he cost us way too many games last season.. if this team gets off to a shaky start expect the pitchfork carrying mob of angry fans to come for his neck.
                            Bargnani come Hell Or High Water cost us so many games last season.....

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                            • #15
                              joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
                              Well enough written piece, but this argument really drives me bananas:



                              This is NOT a 34-win team. The vast majority of a nearly .500 team are back.
                              It'd be much more irresponsible for the writer to extrapolate a .500 record for the Raptors next season based on an 18-18 stretch to end this past year, especially when a bunch of those victories came in the schedule's final days when the Raps were playing lottery teams or playoff squads that were resting key players.

                              People are quick to forget that prior to the aforementioned stretch where the Raptors won 6 of 7 to close the year... they were 5-15 in the previous 20 games before that. They got marginally better after the trade but they weren't world beaters... They saw a big surge immediately after Gay got here (the honeymoon phase), had a misleading winning streak to end the year, and sandwiched between those two stretches was the same bad Raptors team.

                              Does no one remember when the team had a brief bit of hope that they could fight back into the playoff picture and then lost to the Wizards, Cavs and Bucks within a week?

                              Plus there's just so much wrong with taking a small sample size and trying to stretch it out over a full year. The Raptors went 12-11 over a 23 game stretch last year with Ed Davis and Calderon playing key roles prior to the Gay trade... Was that roster a 46 win team over a full season? Good god no.
                              Last edited by Fully; Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:21 PM.

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