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  • #31
    Fully wrote: View Post
    ...but I don't think continuity should be celebrated if it's still a bad team.
    Well...tough to argue with this.

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    • #32
      magoon wrote: View Post
      15 games isn't really a "small sample size." Hell, 16 games is one-fifth of the season; at twenty percent of the season gone, you have a good idea of the team's overall ability. 5-10 games would be a smallish sample size, but at 15-17 games, you know what team you have.

      (And those 16th and 17th games are away at Houston and Memphis, so yeah, they don't help much.)
      Are you serious? Do you want to talk about Dec. 4-Jan. 14, when Miami went 12-9, or Jan. 16-Apr. 17, when they went 42-4.

      Extreme case with last year's Heat (HEAT!), I know, but re: sample size - they played 0.571 ball for a month and a half. 15 games is absolutely a small sample size.
      "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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      • #33
        Fully wrote: View Post
        If your best case scenario for the Raptors is that 2/3 of the league is still better than them then I'm not sure why a roster turnover has you upset. I get that the constant upheaval of the team is tiresome, but I don't think continuity should be celebrated if it's still a bad team.
        Totally agree - not satisfied with shooting for the 8th seed, but also tired of canning coaches and swapping out key players year after year, essentially giving up on the season halfway through. Just venting!
        "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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        • #34
          S.R. wrote: View Post
          Totally agree - not satisfied with shooting for the 8th seed, but also tired of canning coaches and swapping out key players year after year, essentially giving up on the season halfway through. Just venting!
          Casey is not getting canned during the season, that's just ESPN throwing stuff at the wall and hoping something sticks. as for swapping year after year, That was Colangelo, its unfair to expect Masai not to make moves because BC made too many. We have to let him assemble his core, before we expect consistency, he hasn't even had a season with the team yet.

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            • #36
              It really is a catch 22

              to reiterate some of the post above me.

              Raptors play like shit - you are dealing from position of weakness

              Caveat: We dealt Bargnani from a position of weakness and landed 3 picks and a useful role player

              Raptors play well 7th - 9th - In the hunt for a playoff spot (this is actually the optimal point to blow it up)

              Raptors exceed expectations 4th - 6th - you start talking to a few peoples agents and seeing where this goes long term.
              Ironically though, you will never get more value for your assets than if we do this well.
              For still frame photograph of me reading the DeRozan thread please refer to my avatar

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              • #37
                thead wrote: View Post
                It really is a catch 22
                Exactly! The better you're doing, the less you want to shake things up by making a move, but the better the returns would be if you did. However, since we know we're not contenders (even if we keep pace with the actual contenders for a while this season), we should be willing to make moves that will make us even better in the long run.

                Breaking up OKC's "big four" was stupid (there's no way they would have lost money making yearly trips to the WCF, at least); breaking up this squad to make it better in the long run is VERY reasonable.

                And yes, you caveat is very true and appropriate to the discussion. I just hope it doesn't come down to Ujiri HAVING to fleece another GM (because our players' values are so low). Imagine what he could do from a position of strength?

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                • #38
                  LC009 wrote: View Post
                  Exactly! The better you're doing, the less you want to shake things up by making a move, but the better the returns would be if you did. However, since we know we're not contenders (even if we keep pace with the actual contenders for a while this season), we should be willing to make moves that will make us even better in the long run.
                  I think its more complicated than that though.

                  Lets assume the team is doing well to start the year, and that increases the players value (I don't think the two are as linked than we like to believe, but none the less not relevant to the point I want to make). Now the question isn't just 'do we really want to shake things up because of how well we are doing'? Its also should we shake this up given we have greatly decreased our odds at a great draft pick anyways?

                  If this team's goal is to build through the draft whether this year or next, it makes little sense to wait The opportunity cost of hoping potential trade pieces increase in value, is ping pong balls.



                  No team is given up a high lottery pick for anyone on this team (aside from perhaps Jonas, who I doubt too many want included in a deal anyways). At best, maybe the team could get a late lottery pick

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                  • #39
                    first 15 Raps will be 9-6 Book it.

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                    • #40
                      Relevant:

                      http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2013/...-and-recapped/

                      6-9.

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                      • #41
                        unfortunately that list is just too realistic...

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