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  • #16
    Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Rest assured barring injury Novak will be coming off the bench all season to space the floor and bang in some treys! nothing more nothing less.

    ROLE PLAYER

    Now think about this. Why can he not be the same role player who just starts the game? He will probably only get 12-15 minutes at most why can he not get some of those at the start it makes a lot of sense. Offensively speaking he will get the most open shots with that lineup on floor. With demar and gay we need floor spacers. It makes most sense for that lineup and also for Novak himself.

    Think about it dont just shut the idea down if you have some point you want to make then make them dont just say nothing and he sucks.

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    • #17
      This guy might actually be a worse defender than Bargnani....and you want him to play against the other teams starters?

      The only way Novak survives his time on the court is by guarding the worst player on the other team and jacking treys. His is the ultimate liability, like Josea Bargeron.
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      • #18
        I'm into whatever works, but seeing as our starting lineup was one of the better lineups in the league last year I don't see it. If he's going to be in short spurts we may as well start out with a traditional lineup then bring him in if nobody is hitting/the opposition is immediately collapsing on our bigs
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        • #19
          Burnit482 wrote: View Post
          Now think about this. Why can he not be the same role player who just starts the game? He will probably only get 12-15 minutes at most why can he not get some of those at the start it makes a lot of sense. Offensively speaking he will get the most open shots with that lineup on floor. With demar and gay we need floor spacers. It makes most sense for that lineup and also for Novak himself.

          Think about it dont just shut the idea down if you have some point you want to make then make them dont just say nothing and he sucks.
          Several comments here have addressed it. Try reading them. To repeat: Steve Novak cannot defend starting PF's, so why in the world would you want to match him up against Dirk, Duncan, Griffin, Z-Bo, Love, Aldridge, Bosh, etc. for his "12-15 minutes" when Novak could spend those minutes playing against bench players?

          His 12-15 minutes will be situational, because his defense is terrible. They'll put him out there when his 3's will help more than his D will hurt, and when his teammates can help compensate for his poor D.
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          • #20
            Burnit482 wrote: View Post
            Now think about this. Why can he not be the same role player who just starts the game? He will probably only get 12-15 minutes at most why can he not get some of those at the start it makes a lot of sense. Offensively speaking he will get the most open shots with that lineup on floor. With demar and gay we need floor spacers. It makes most sense for that lineup and also for Novak himself.

            Think about it dont just shut the idea down if you have some point you want to make then make them dont just say nothing and he sucks.
            As a starter playing 12-15 mpg, he'll mostly be playing against other starters. This is less likely to be true as a bench player.

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            • #21


              Speaking of novak's defense come on guys look at this help contest

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              • #22
                Nilanka wrote: View Post
                You have to anticipate opposing coaches totally abusing that PF matchup to start the game. With Novak trying to defend the likes of Dirk, Griffin, West, Millsap, etc, we'd be down double-digits before the first TV timeout.
                The more things change, the more they stay the same!

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                • #23
                  Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post


                  Speaking of novak's defense come on guys look at this help contest
                  Too funny.. I don't think we even need visual evidence anymore to know that Novak's a terrible defender. I've read countless articles where writers compare his turning ability to a steamboat.
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                  • #24
                    Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post


                    Speaking of novak's defense come on guys look at this help contest
                    Fields and Novak! Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2013/14 Toronto Raptors!

                    God help us.
                    "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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                    • #25
                      S.R. wrote: View Post
                      Fields and Novak! Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2013/14 Toronto Raptors!

                      God help us.
                      In this video clip Fields stays with Koby about 3 fakes longer than most guys in the league could.

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                      • #26
                        Novak is a good shooter, not a good player.
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                        • #27
                          Puffer wrote: View Post
                          In this video clip Fields stays with Koby about 3 fakes longer than most guys in the league could.
                          Yup. It is a testament to Kobe's fundamentals and excellence. What he does in that sequence is absolutely incredible when you consider it is in slow motion.

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                          • #28
                            Fields plays him incredibly well to force Kobe to go for a rather tough shot he hits it cause he's Kobe lol. To Fields credit too a lot of other players would have set fuck it and let Kobe by hes all over him good D.

                            Not exactly sure what Novak was doing lmao runs over at first looking to be a move double to force a trap but loses himself on a Kobe fake then regains balance to put up a lousy contest to help Fields lol awful.

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                            • #29
                              charlesnba23 wrote: View Post
                              I know it may seem like a strange idea at first, but let's just think about it.

                              -Novak can play both forward spots.
                              -None of the current starters can really shoot the 3.
                              -Novak can shoot the 3.
                              -We currently don't really have a backup center.
                              -Amir was really good last season as a center.
                              -Amir could be our backup center.
                              -Give more playing time to the wings.
                              -Etc.

                              Let's look at what could be the rotation:
                              Valanciunas/Johnson/Gray
                              Novak/Hansbrough/Acy
                              Gay/Fields/Daye
                              DeRozan/Ross/Stone
                              Lowry/Augustin/Buycks

                              Novak would be a stretch 4, with Jonas being the man in the middle. Difference between this situation and Bargnani's one is that Novak won't ask for a lot of minutes and he's a winner. Plus we won't have the same expectations for him that we had for Bargnani.

                              I think it would simply really improve our rotations. Amir can still play more minutes than him, I just think it would fit better with this rotation.

                              What do you guys think of this idea?
                              No.

                              Don't want to sound rude, but assuming you aren't trolling, this is absurd. We do this, and teams are going to parade into our paint. Jonas isn't Roy Hibbert or Dwight Howard, his defense is no where near the point where he can clog the lane by himself and defend. You leave JV on an island like that and he'll never play 30+ min a game due to foul troubles. While Novak can technically be labelled as a stretch 4 due to his size, he's nothing more than a pure shooter that should be brought off the bench for a couple 3s a game.

                              While I like Novak for his shooting ability, he's even worse than bargs at defense. True that bargs wasn't a good help defender, but he plays decent man-to-man defense due to his size and decent agility. Bargs could also create his own offense by going for the drive, pulling up for mid range jumper or catch and shoot at the 3pt line. Whereas for Novak, pretty much all his possessions are catch and shoot situations behind the 3 point line.

                              And why breakup our starting line of lowry, dd, gay, amir and jonas. Though the sample size was small, didn't we have one of the better starting lineups in the league? And didn't we have one of the most effective front court tandems in JV and Amir?
                              Last edited by Pong; Mon Sep 23, 2013, 05:08 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Great idea for the offense ... helps with spacing for Gay and Derozan.

                                BUT - our coach is Dwane Casey, and defence is the focus.
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