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  • TheRightPath
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    "You're completely right but it doesn't change anything, i said a realistic chance, and that they do. "I personally think he stays in miami, but Cleveland is definitely #2.
    Banking on Rudy Gay turning away his 19 million option is much more of a long shot, possible but not realistic unless he hates cleveland in which case why would you get him in the first place if you hope he doesn't fit in ?"

    I agree with you, Lebron is a big shit talker though so I don't even think he would even consider playing for Cleveland just giving them false hope. He thinks out of his ass sometimes. (Big fan of his game, not his character) Anyway, I think taking a chance on bennett and getting another pick in return would be ideal. But I don't know what to expect especially after todays game, I think its just this losing culture we have. Its like theres a curse with this team man. Heart breaking

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  • ceez
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Tony Mitchell and KCP and their 2nd round pick?
    Heck yeah

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  • ball4life
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    charlesnba23 wrote: View Post
    I think we should go all out to get Anthony Bennett. I know some don't/won't agree but I would be willing to trade Rudy + our first round draft pick of this year's draft top 5 protected.
    And that's probably why you are not an NBA GM. ***


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  • Joey
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Tony Mitchell and KCP and their 2nd round pick?
    2nd Round Picks don't have the same "Value" around these parts as they should. I guess we've never really made a good 2nd Round Pick, but with the right Scouting minds (which Masai and Weltman offer), 2nd Round Picks should be highly sought after I think. Especially in a draft as deep as 2014. There will be Gems to be found.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    Forgot about Detroit. Problem is who do we want from them???

    "The saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a non-conforming minority." - Martin Luther King
    Tony Mitchell and KCP and their 2nd round pick?

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    The Gay to Cleveland thing is simply machinated by Raps fans. We want to see a trade to a team with players we like or want to like. Truth is, Rudy is here to stay. Yes, all contracts can be moved. But right now, with teams eyeing this draft class, the last thing they'd want is to touch that albatross of a contract.

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    I'd agree with that.

    Only thing I would add is there were a lot of rumours about Cleveland wanting Gay in the last 2-3 years. Can we call this educated speculation? lol

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  • Balls of Steel
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    It's hard to know what Cleveland wants to do this year. Tanking for one final pick in a heralded draft class makes so much sense.

    Trading for Gay looks like it makes no sense as he's having a bad start to his year and has an opt out clause. But some small market teams don't always make smart basketball decisions.. some want to fill seats and get playoff revenue. They also want to keep their franchise player happy.

    That's why the ideal teams for Gay would be the same ones most come up with... Milwaukee, Charlotte, Detroit and Cleveland. Small market teams that want to win now and sell tickets. Rudy Gay brought a lot of excitement to Toronto last season.. I think he could do the same for a lot of teams when they aren't making basketball decisions.
    Forgot about Detroit. Problem is who do we want from them???

    "The saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a non-conforming minority." - Martin Luther King

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  • planetmars
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    It's hard to know what Cleveland wants to do this year. Tanking for one final pick in a heralded draft class makes so much sense.

    Trading for Gay looks like it makes no sense as he's having a bad start to his year and has an opt out clause. But some small market teams don't always make smart basketball decisions.. some want to fill seats and get playoff revenue. They also want to keep their franchise player happy.

    That's why the ideal teams for Gay would be the same ones most come up with... Milwaukee, Charlotte, Detroit and Cleveland. Small market teams that want to win now and sell tickets. Rudy Gay brought a lot of excitement to Toronto last season.. I think he could do the same for a lot of teams when they aren't making basketball decisions.

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  • Balls of Steel
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    The Gay to Cleveland thing is simply machinated by Raps fans. We want to see a trade to a team with players we like or want to like. Truth is, Rudy is here to stay. Yes, all contracts can be moved. But right now, with teams eyeing this draft class, the last thing they'd want is to touch that albatross of a contract.

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  • S.R.
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    Re: Lebron to Cleveland - Lebron is signing his next contract to cover the final years of his prime. He will NOT go to a sh*t roster like Cleveland. He'll want multiple more championships and he'll be looking for a ready-to-win roster. The Cleveland talk is mostly hype, although Lebron undoubtedly can see the benefit, from a PR standpoint, of going back to Cleveland and repairing some of the damage to his rep. caused by The Decision.

    Cleveland could offer as good a package for Gay as any team - an expiring, a prospect, and a pick. Ujiri would have to take that.

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  • charlesnba23
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    I think we should go all out to get Anthony Bennett. I know some don't/won't agree but I would be willing to trade Rudy + our first round draft pick of this year's draft top 5 protected.

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  • magoon
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    Brandon wrote:
    Cleveland won't take on any contract or player that will jeopardize their chances of getting Lebron back next summer. That's their bottom line, and it should be. Both sides want a reunion.
    That understood: trading Bynum+Bennett for Rudy would leave Cleveland with $42 million in guaranteed salary next year. In other words, more than enough room to sign LeBron - who then becomes Cleveland's starting power forward with Thompson moving to a Bosh-style small centre. Assuming Rudy stays.

    And I think LeBron's desire for a reunion is deeply, deeply overblown. LeBron wants to win championships and be recognized, at least for a time, as the GOAT. Cleveland spent the better part of a decade demonstrating that they simply don't know how to build a goddamn championship team around a superstar talent, and frankly the last three years have shown they're not really that good at drafting either - not terrible, but not great. LeBron might go back when he has five or six rings, maybe, but now? I am dubious.

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  • achumumu
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    Dino4life wrote: View Post
    If the raptors had a realistic chances of getting Lebron James in free agency, would any of you pass on that chance in order to acquire Rudy Gay ?

    The honest answer is NO.
    No way Lebron would ever come to the raps tho.

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  • ceez
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    Word is there was a fight or something with Waiters at the center of it all, I think they made him inactive the last couple games too.

    Honestly I'd take Waiters. I like him a lot. He's not the greatest shooter but he gets to the rim and you need that at the end of games. I think his real value is as a sixth man you unleash and let him have at 'er.

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  • white men can't jump
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    Dino4life wrote: View Post
    You're completely right but it doesn't change anything, i said a realistic chance, and that they do. I personally think he stays in miami, but Cleveland is definitely #2.
    Banking on Rudy Gay turning away his 19 million option is much more of a long shot, possible but not realistic unless he hates cleveland in which case why would you get him in the first place if you hope he doesn't fit in ?

    Anyway you look at it, getting Rudy Gay is not worth the trouble for cleveland.
    I actually think it's very likely Rudy opts out. It hinges on 2 things in my opinion:
    -That he individually has a bounceback season
    -That his team is at least close to the playoffs

    I mean, he even fixed his eyesight, which had apparently been a problem for awhile. That's something you do because you're worried it will affect your value (even he dismisses the impact on his game). WHy do that now? Because he can't wait til next summer in case he opts out, which I think is his plan A. Sign a new long-term deal as soon as possible, before his value declines, be it because of his own deterioration or just because of how many other strong SFs there are out there (about to be at least 2 more good ones next year).

    And then it's still Cleveland. They still struggle to attract free agents. And don't anybody bring up Andrew Bynum. If they miss LeBron, they need a backup plan. If they can sell Rudy on Cleveland now, and see if he works with their team, it could be an option the parties revisit in the summer. And it might be an option Rudy wouldn't consider without the trial.

    I totally understand the "they don't want to jeopardize their chance at LeBron" rationale. I just think they're being a bit stupidly hopeful. I mean, there's even a minor positive where if a team with Rudy and Kyrie makes the playoffs, you can sell LeBron on "imagine if we had you instead of Rudy". If Cleveland has another year winning around 30 games, not sure LeBron will really consider them, realistically.

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