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Fully wrote: View PostBut if the Raps goal is to get into the top five of the 2014 draft with their own pick and pick up some other picks/prospects along the way then I think it's worth talking about.... Who else do you move and accomplish that if not him?
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Matt52 wrote: View PostWho does DD make better?
DD would thrive in SA because there are a whole bunch of players better than him and he would not be required to carry a franchise. DD, like Bargnani, Calderon, etc. etc., is never going to experience success in Toronto because they are asked to do too much.
He's been here 5 years.
Team is nowhere close to competing.
Get what you can for him when value is high.
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Brandon wrote:It's interesting that "cheap" and "club-friendly contract" has now become part of the pro-Derozan meme. His rookie contract was cheap and club-friendly. Since he doesn't do much to help the club win games -- look at the Raps' record during his stint in Toronto -- his value is essentially nothing more than a vet minimum or replacement-level contract.
His contract is mentioned, rightly so, because you are getting WAY more than his actual value on it, so its a huge plus, not just a nice consideration.
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Craig wrote: View PostI'm sorry Brandon, but I have to disagree with you pretty sternly. Derozan brings a lot more than you give him credit for. There isn't a guy here that says he is Dwayne Wade, he isn't, but he's the same age many guys are coming out of college, or plying theier 1,2nd year. He's 24. He has shown nothing but improvement every year. He has improved his shooting, improved his actual IQ, he gets to the line, he improves his fitness every offseason, he is a good team guy, a great franchise guy and he likes playing in Toronto. I am really interested to see who yourself, or anyone else thinks is an upgrade taking ALL things into consideration. He is one of 9 players ( i think you need to be 9 deep) they have to use to build a really good team moving forward over the nest 3-5 years. You already have him, and he is getting better, while ALREADY being a very good SG.
His contract is mentioned, rightly so, because you are getting WAY more than his actual value on it, so its a huge plus, not just a nice consideration.
Which is which is rarely known.
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Craig wrote: View PostI'm sorry Brandon, but I have to disagree with you pretty sternly. Derozan brings a lot more than you give him credit for. There isn't a guy here that says he is Dwayne Wade, he isn't, but he's the same age many guys are coming out of college, or plying theier 1,2nd year. He's 24. He has shown nothing but improvement every year. He has improved his shooting, improved his actual IQ, he gets to the line, he improves his fitness every offseason, he is a good team guy, a great franchise guy and he likes playing in Toronto. I am really interested to see who yourself, or anyone else thinks is an upgrade taking ALL things into consideration. He is one of 9 players ( i think you need to be 9 deep) they have to use to build a really good team moving forward over the nest 3-5 years. You already have him, and he is getting better, while ALREADY being a very good SG.
His contract is mentioned, rightly so, because you are getting WAY more than his actual value on it, so its a huge plus, not just a nice consideration.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostOpinions and facts are always going to be contested around here I guess.
Which is which is rarely known.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostMy crystal ball says different assuming they don't make poor choices and piss away cap space.
Like most posts here, I've got nothing more than what I've already said before about DeMar, so won't jump on that merry-go-round, other than to flatly state that I think it's absurd to be talking about dumping DeMar for nothing but fantasies. On the other hand, if Brandon can tell us how we can get the 3 LeBrons he prefers, count me in!
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Brandon wrote:Matt, if they really tank it will probably be at least 5 years. They'll still probably be no further along in 5 years than they are now.
They're 3 wins ahead of the (arguably) underachieving Bucks and Knicks. They're only 2 wins ahead of the historically mismanaged Sacramento Kings and the trying-as-hard-as-we-can-to-tank Utah Jazz. Let that sink in.
If the Raps are this bad for the next 5 years, they'll have multiple top-5 draft picks on the roster. They'll have to have been horribly mismanaged to have not made any progress at that point."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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Axel wrote: View PostDo you think free agents are going to sign with our imaginary cap room to play with Gay or sign to play with what's left over after he bolts and the team has no stud 2014 pick?
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Brandon wrote:No, it's not crazy talk, it's based on historical fact. According to this study;
"Teams that win 25 games or less have only about a 10% chance to join the list of contenders five years after their terrible season. Which means that 90% of teams that win 25 games or less won’t make it to 54 wins after five years."
I like that they pointed out that "mediocre teams" (34-49 wins) are "twice as likely" (20%) to hit 54 wins after five years. No kidding. If you include teams with 49 wins, you'll get a few more who manage to win 5 more games within five years.
In some ways the numbers are so random and waaaaaay too out of context. Why is study group 1 "25 wins or less" while study group 2 is "34-49 wins" and the bar they're trying to attain is 54 wins? Seems like an awful lot of massaging the math to make sure you get a nice and dramatic 10% vs. 20% contrast in "success" rates.
There are so many weighty variables going on here for the Raps that I'd rather talk about the specifics of Toronto's situation than put much stock in an overly ambitious "study" like that one. Bad stats.Last edited by S.R.; Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:17 PM."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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