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  • #76
    Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    Do you really believe it will be that simple? Two years of tanking and we're contending? That would make it 7 years of losing. What free agents are going to sign here?


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    Do you think free agents are going to sign with our imaginary cap room to play with Gay or sign to play with what's left over after he bolts and the team has no stud 2014 pick?
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    • #77
      Fully wrote: View Post
      But if the Raps goal is to get into the top five of the 2014 draft with their own pick and pick up some other picks/prospects along the way then I think it's worth talking about.... Who else do you move and accomplish that if not him?
      Ya i already said that though on this thread, you only move him for a very legit, high pottery pick attached to an expiring salary

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      • #78
        Matt52 wrote: View Post
        Who does DD make better?

        DD would thrive in SA because there are a whole bunch of players better than him and he would not be required to carry a franchise. DD, like Bargnani, Calderon, etc. etc., is never going to experience success in Toronto because they are asked to do too much.

        He's been here 5 years.
        Team is nowhere close to competing.
        Get what you can for him when value is high.
        Rubbish he was a High school player when he came in. Lets be air here.

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        • #79
          Craig wrote: View Post
          Rubbish he was a High school player when he came in. Lets be air here.
          Rubbish, USC is a post-secondary institution of higher learning.

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          • #80
            Brandon wrote:
            Matt, if they really tank it will probably be at least 5 years. They'll still probably be no further along in 5 years than they are now.
            My crystal ball says different assuming they don't make poor choices and piss away cap space.

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            • #81
              Brandon wrote:
              It's interesting that "cheap" and "club-friendly contract" has now become part of the pro-Derozan meme. His rookie contract was cheap and club-friendly. Since he doesn't do much to help the club win games -- look at the Raps' record during his stint in Toronto -- his value is essentially nothing more than a vet minimum or replacement-level contract.
              I'm sorry Brandon, but I have to disagree with you pretty sternly. Derozan brings a lot more than you give him credit for. There isn't a guy here that says he is Dwayne Wade, he isn't, but he's the same age many guys are coming out of college, or plying theier 1,2nd year. He's 24. He has shown nothing but improvement every year. He has improved his shooting, improved his actual IQ, he gets to the line, he improves his fitness every offseason, he is a good team guy, a great franchise guy and he likes playing in Toronto. I am really interested to see who yourself, or anyone else thinks is an upgrade taking ALL things into consideration. He is one of 9 players ( i think you need to be 9 deep) they have to use to build a really good team moving forward over the nest 3-5 years. You already have him, and he is getting better, while ALREADY being a very good SG.

              His contract is mentioned, rightly so, because you are getting WAY more than his actual value on it, so its a huge plus, not just a nice consideration.

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              • #82
                Craig wrote: View Post
                I'm sorry Brandon, but I have to disagree with you pretty sternly. Derozan brings a lot more than you give him credit for. There isn't a guy here that says he is Dwayne Wade, he isn't, but he's the same age many guys are coming out of college, or plying theier 1,2nd year. He's 24. He has shown nothing but improvement every year. He has improved his shooting, improved his actual IQ, he gets to the line, he improves his fitness every offseason, he is a good team guy, a great franchise guy and he likes playing in Toronto. I am really interested to see who yourself, or anyone else thinks is an upgrade taking ALL things into consideration. He is one of 9 players ( i think you need to be 9 deep) they have to use to build a really good team moving forward over the nest 3-5 years. You already have him, and he is getting better, while ALREADY being a very good SG.

                His contract is mentioned, rightly so, because you are getting WAY more than his actual value on it, so its a huge plus, not just a nice consideration.
                Opinions and facts are always going to be contested around here I guess.

                Which is which is rarely known.

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                • #83
                  Craig wrote: View Post
                  I'm sorry Brandon, but I have to disagree with you pretty sternly. Derozan brings a lot more than you give him credit for. There isn't a guy here that says he is Dwayne Wade, he isn't, but he's the same age many guys are coming out of college, or plying theier 1,2nd year. He's 24. He has shown nothing but improvement every year. He has improved his shooting, improved his actual IQ, he gets to the line, he improves his fitness every offseason, he is a good team guy, a great franchise guy and he likes playing in Toronto. I am really interested to see who yourself, or anyone else thinks is an upgrade taking ALL things into consideration. He is one of 9 players ( i think you need to be 9 deep) they have to use to build a really good team moving forward over the nest 3-5 years. You already have him, and he is getting better, while ALREADY being a very good SG.

                  His contract is mentioned, rightly so, because you are getting WAY more than his actual value on it, so its a huge plus, not just a nice consideration.
                  Don't forget his durability. Most discount this, but it is important to me that high priced players actually BE on the court.

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                  • #84
                    Brandon wrote:
                    Derozan is a replacement player.
                    I now I see why I won't be bothering to discuss basketball with you anymore, you simply haven't a clue what you're talking about.

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                    • #85
                      Matt52 wrote: View Post
                      Opinions and facts are always going to be contested around here I guess.

                      Which is which is rarely known.
                      Ya, but this fellow isn't really being realistic, in fact, his comments are borderlining on foolish it seems. He paints DD as some run of the mill bench rider.... he ignors a huge body of positive work and then ignores the true financial impact of his average salary over the next 6 years. Wow. Look at the list that guy posted, notice that not only is he 62nd now, his is one of the only contracts locked in at the number. But hey, stuff like that doesn't matter.

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                      • #86
                        Matt52 wrote: View Post
                        My crystal ball says different assuming they don't make poor choices and piss away cap space.
                        It's better for the mental health to not be "assuming everything goes well", but more importantly better for the team that we have a GM that looks at thing differently.

                        Like most posts here, I've got nothing more than what I've already said before about DeMar, so won't jump on that merry-go-round, other than to flatly state that I think it's absurd to be talking about dumping DeMar for nothing but fantasies. On the other hand, if Brandon can tell us how we can get the 3 LeBrons he prefers, count me in!

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                        • #87
                          Brandon wrote:
                          Matt, if they really tank it will probably be at least 5 years. They'll still probably be no further along in 5 years than they are now.
                          This is crazy talk. This team is just a couple wins away from being WORST IN THE LEAGUE. They'd have to have a horrible, horrible next 5 years to still be this bad regardless of the path taken.

                          They're 3 wins ahead of the (arguably) underachieving Bucks and Knicks. They're only 2 wins ahead of the historically mismanaged Sacramento Kings and the trying-as-hard-as-we-can-to-tank Utah Jazz. Let that sink in.

                          If the Raps are this bad for the next 5 years, they'll have multiple top-5 draft picks on the roster. They'll have to have been horribly mismanaged to have not made any progress at that point.
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                          • #88
                            Axel wrote: View Post
                            Do you think free agents are going to sign with our imaginary cap room to play with Gay or sign to play with what's left over after he bolts and the team has no stud 2014 pick?
                            I think if you trade him for a player(Josh Smith) that fits better on this team and make good run and end up winning the Atlantic. I think players would want to sign here.


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                            • #89
                              Matt52 wrote: View Post
                              He might be worth $9.5M on offense but he is about minimum contract on D.

                              That comes out to a solid $5.4M (50% + 50% divided by 2).
                              This is why people think your a Derozan hater....lol Don't worry i know your just fooling around.

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                              • #90
                                Brandon wrote:
                                No, it's not crazy talk, it's based on historical fact. According to this study;

                                "Teams that win 25 games or less have only about a 10% chance to join the list of contenders five years after their terrible season. Which means that 90% of teams that win 25 games or less won’t make it to 54 wins after five years."
                                I'm not a fan of some of those WoW studies.

                                I like that they pointed out that "mediocre teams" (34-49 wins) are "twice as likely" (20%) to hit 54 wins after five years. No kidding. If you include teams with 49 wins, you'll get a few more who manage to win 5 more games within five years.

                                In some ways the numbers are so random and waaaaaay too out of context. Why is study group 1 "25 wins or less" while study group 2 is "34-49 wins" and the bar they're trying to attain is 54 wins? Seems like an awful lot of massaging the math to make sure you get a nice and dramatic 10% vs. 20% contrast in "success" rates.

                                There are so many weighty variables going on here for the Raps that I'd rather talk about the specifics of Toronto's situation than put much stock in an overly ambitious "study" like that one. Bad stats.
                                Last edited by S.R.; Tue Dec 3, 2013, 06:17 PM.
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