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Nosike wrote: View PostCalgaryrapsfan, for you to say Lowry is "definitely" not a top 15 pg, is ridiculous. Here are the pgs who are clearly better than Lowry:
Rondo
Dwill (this is debatable currently but I'll give it to him for the sake of argument)
Wall
Rose
Irving
Westbrook
Lillard
Cp3
Curry
Parker
I count 10. The rest are either on par or worse.
Obviously he's playing at an all-star caliber since the Gay trade and I really hope he gets some well deserved consideration for the EC backups.
The fact that he's playing the best ball of career, in the best shape of his career and being a role-model player/teammate/citizen in a contract year, especially given his up-and-down history, should at least raise a few red flags. Maybe he proves that he's matured and turned a corner, that he finally just 'gets it'. Or he's simply repeating what has happened too many times to count in professional sports, which is looking to cash-in during the final year of his contract. If Toronto re-signs him, I obviously hope it's the former; if they trade him, I hope it's the latter. Who knows at this point.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostLet's pretend you're Lowry's agent. Convince your client why it's best to sign an extension now, rather than causing a bidding war in the summer (which would inevitably drive up price).
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Nosike wrote: View PostCalgaryrapsfan, for you to say Lowry is "definitely" not a top 15 pg, is ridiculous. Here are the pgs who are clearly better than Lowry:
Rondo
Dwill (this is debatable currently but I'll give it to him for the sake of argument)
Wall
Rose
Irving
Westbrook
Lillard
Cp3
Curry
Parker
I count 10. The rest are either on par or worse.
Jeff Teague
Kemba walker
Jrue Holiday
Bledsoe
Dragic
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Calgaryrapsfan, for you to say Lowry is "definitely" not a top 15 pg, is ridiculous. Here are the pgs who are clearly better than Lowry:
Rondo
Dwill (this is debatable currently but I'll give it to him for the sake of argument)
Wall
Rose
Irving
Westbrook
Lillard
Cp3
Curry
Parker
I count 10. The rest are either on par or worse.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostLet's pretend you're Lowry's agent. Convince your client why it's best to sign an extension now, rather than causing a bidding war in the summer (which would inevitably drive up price).
An extension makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER for Lowry.
It makes some sense for Toronto but NONE for Lowry - NONE.Last edited by mcHAPPY; Thu Jan 2, 2014, 05:18 PM.
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It's also been mentioned a few times that an extension's term is limited vs. one in a f/a signing.
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enlightenment wrote: View PostIf you admit that there is definitely an argument to be had, how can you say that he is definitely NOT top-15? You phrased it better afterwards when you admit it comes from your own personal evaluation of these talents.
Considering his age, he is actually not even at his prime.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostIf you want to cherry-pick some stats in an attempt to 'prove' that Lowry is better than any players on this list (granted, some are indeed injured this season), go right ahead, but you'll never convince me (or most NBA GMs, I'd be willing to bet).
This is what I got from this quote:
"If you want to give me objective, performance based data, to 'prove' that this Player is better... go right ahead, but youll never convince me!"
AKA:
Your logical fallacy is: Anecdotal
It's often much easier for people to believe someone's testimony as opposed to understanding complex data and variation across a continuum. Quantitative scientific measures are almost always more accurate than personal perceptions and experiences, but our inclination is to believe that which is tangible to us, and/or the word of someone we trust over a more 'abstract' statistical reality.
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KeonClark wrote: View PostPlease tell me this whole post was tongue in cheek...
edit: saw some of your other posts. You're a sarcastic jerk, not a absolute dumb ass.
anyhow, the fact that you even had to ask says a lot about some posters, uhh, optimism, with regards to the raptors roster
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostI actually said equal to or better. I probably should have left Burke off that list, though my comments about him and Parker should show that I consider them on the fringe of that list.
There's definitely argument to be had about where in that list Lowry falls, but the only point I was making is that Lowry is definitely not a top-15 PG in the NBA (when everybody is healthy). Personally, I'd probably put him around 20th currently. That would probably drop when considering his age and likelihood of requesting a $7-8M+ contract this offseason though.
Considering his age, he is actually not even at his prime.
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