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  • ESPN's tank rank still have raptors at 4th despite the recent wins.

    They're predicting more tanking moves.

    Rudy Gay's absence hasn't had the tanking effect GM Masai Ujiri had hoped for. In fact, the Raptors are 3-1 since the trade. That's why Ujiri is out working hard to move more veterans like Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan. Lowry should be pretty easy to move. DeRozan will be tougher.

    GMs are even more interested in trying to pry away Jonas Valanciunas and Amir Johnson, I'm told. Valanciunas is virtually untouchable and it would take a pretty high draft pick to pry away Johnson, who is playing the best ball of his career right now (averaging 20 points and 9 rebounds in his past five games).
    "Bruno?
    Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
    He's terrible."

    -Superjudge, 7/23

    Hope you're wrong.

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    • stooley wrote: View Post
      ESPN's tank rank still have raptors at 4th despite the recent wins.

      They're predicting more tanking moves.
      Who are top-3? Philly, Milwaukee and Orlando?

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      • stooley wrote: View Post
        Oh come on. Let's not be silly.

        Scouts have been raving about these kids for years.
        Pray tell what's silly about asking someone to back up a statement with something other than anonymous hype, while downplaying the opinion of the man who is second to only Coach K in NCAA wins and has evaluated college players through head coaching in 28 NCAA tournaments?

        stooley wrote: View Post
        Whereas Boeheim has predicted successfully which college players will become NBA stars on multiple occasions? Come on.
        That's flipping the point, and using an impossible challenge that proves nothing. Easy to do: when has he not?

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        • CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
          Who are top-3? Philly, Milwaukee and Orlando?
          Top 3: Milwaukee, Philly, Jazz

          In that order.
          "Bruno?
          Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
          He's terrible."

          -Superjudge, 7/23

          Hope you're wrong.

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          • p00ka wrote: View Post
            Pray tell what's silly about asking someone to back up a statement with something other than anonymous hype, while downplaying the opinion of the man who is second to only Coach K in NCAA wins and has evaluated college players through head coaching in 28 NCAA tournaments?

            That's flipping the point, and using an impossible challenge that proves nothing. Easy to do: when has he not?
            Every executive interviewed, every scout interviewed, anonymous or not.

            Ownership and management of the sixers, the jazz and originally the celtics.

            I don't know why you give way more weight to one single source than the plethora that say otherwise.

            I'm not dismissing his opinion. It's very possible that the recruits don't live up to their hype. But don't dismiss everything else because of one opinion.
            "Bruno?
            Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
            He's terrible."

            -Superjudge, 7/23

            Hope you're wrong.

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            • stooley wrote: View Post
              ESPN's tank rank still have raptors at 4th despite the recent wins.

              They're predicting more tanking moves.

              Rudy Gay's absence hasn't had the tanking effect GM Masai Ujiri had hoped for. In fact, the Raptors are 3-1 since the trade. That's why Ujiri is out working hard to move more veterans like Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan. Lowry should be pretty easy to move. DeRozan will be tougher.

              GMs are even more interested in trying to pry away Jonas Valanciunas and Amir Johnson, I'm told. Valanciunas is virtually untouchable and it would take a pretty high draft pick to pry away Johnson, who is playing the best ball of his career right now (averaging 20 points and 9 rebounds in his past five games).
              Oh well then, the bible that ESPN is must be right! Still waiting for that Gray for Jimmer trade.

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              • stooley wrote: View Post
                Every executive interviewed, every scout interviewed, anonymous or not.

                Ownership and management of the sixers, the jazz and originally the celtics.

                I don't know why you give way more weight to one single source than the plethora that say otherwise.
                like... every interviewed executive and scout, ever?!?!

                dude, stop with the unsubstantiated claims and simply back up what you are saying. Repeating yourself is not the way to do so.
                The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!

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                • enlightenment wrote: View Post
                  like... every interviewed executive and scout, ever?!?!

                  dude, stop with the unsubstantiated claims and simply back up what you are saying. Repeating yourself is not the way to do so.
                  Do I really have to go digging for sources though? I assume most of you are pretty well versed in what's been said about these guys over the past 12 months.
                  "Bruno?
                  Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
                  He's terrible."

                  -Superjudge, 7/23

                  Hope you're wrong.

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                  • p00ka wrote: View Post
                    Oh well then, the bible that ESPN is must be right! Still waiting for that Gray for Jimmer trade.

                    This wasn't directed at anyone sheesh. I was relaying information for those that may be interested
                    "Bruno?
                    Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
                    He's terrible."

                    -Superjudge, 7/23

                    Hope you're wrong.

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                    • stooley wrote: View Post
                      Do I really have to go digging for sources though? I assume most of you are pretty well versed in what's been said about these guys over the past 12 months.
                      Well if someone asks to substantiate something youve claimed, yes he is asking for sources.

                      Also, don't assume, or else proceed to make an ass of u and me.
                      The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!

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                      • Fully wrote: View Post
                        I want to remind everyone that we were a James Dolan veto away from moving Lowry to a division rival last week for a fat Raymond Felton, a useless MWP and a draft pick that can be used six years from now. That screams "tanking" trade to me, but what do I know.

                        With that trade falling through, I suppose there are no guarantees as to what direction Ujiri will go now. However I'd like to think that he won't be doing a drastic 180 on his plan after only a couple of wins against struggling teams.

                        Even with the recent success, the team is still 9-13. We have 4 more wins than the worst team in the league and have 61 games remaining in the season. I can't believe people are already starting to throw up their hands and say that a top five pick is out of the question, so we may as well go for it now with this patchwork roster. No wonder Colangelo had so many supporters around here.
                        Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. Perhaps the Dolan veto ends up being a good thing for the Raptors. I think MU would much prefer to put a winning team out there now as opposed to going through the long process of tanking and rebuilding from ground zero. You look around the East and outside of Mia and Ind, everyone else is falling apart (Chicago, Brooklyn, New York). It's a good opportunity for Raptors to move up the ladder. Atlanta is the 3rd seed for crying out loud.

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                        • Fully wrote: View Post
                          I've read only positive things written about Ujiri being able to carve out some financial flexibility moving forward. What are you referring to?
                          I have no interest in digging for others that I've seen, but as one example, post #125 of this thread:

                          " Cap space for us in 2014 is relatively meaningless." If that isn't downplaying, what is?

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                          • enlightenment wrote: View Post
                            Well if someone asks to substantiate something youve claimed, yes he is asking for sources.

                            Also, don't assume, or else proceed to make an ass of u and me.
                            You're right I should ignore p00ka instead of engaging in these asinine debates over and over.

                            And nice bolds by the way! I never understood why people always said that
                            Last edited by stooley; Mon Dec 16, 2013, 12:28 PM.
                            "Bruno?
                            Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
                            He's terrible."

                            -Superjudge, 7/23

                            Hope you're wrong.

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                            • stooley wrote: View Post
                              Every executive interviewed, every scout interviewed, anonymous or not.

                              Ownership and management of the sixers, the jazz and originally the celtics.

                              I don't know why you give way more weight to one single source than the plethora that say otherwise.

                              I'm not dismissing his opinion. It's very possible that the recruits don't live up to their hype. But don't dismiss everything else because of one opinion.
                              I wasn't dismissing anybody else. I responded to Boeheim's opinion being downplayed/dismissed, and asking for something to actually back up the reasoning for such dismissal. Something other than media and mock draft hype, and why their opinion is more valid than Boeheim's. Some RECENT opinions from these "experts" would be even more valuable, as hyping these kids while playing in high school, is damn near meaningless when they aren't exactly tearing it up against college kids, who provide no where near the opposition and pressures they'll face in the NBA.

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                              • p00ka wrote: View Post
                                I wasn't dismissing anybody else. I responded to Boeheim's opinion being downplayed/dismissed, and asking for something to actually back up the reasoning for such dismissal. Something other than media and mock draft hype, and why their opinion is more valid than Boeheim's. Some RECENT opinions from these "experts" would be even more valuable, as hyping these kids while playing in high school, is damn near meaningless when they aren't exactly tearing it up against college kids, who provide no where near the opposition and pressures they'll face in the NBA.
                                I agree then with you. Boeheim's comment does raise some question marks. It is not to be dismissed, but also not to be taken as gospel
                                "Bruno?
                                Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
                                He's terrible."

                                -Superjudge, 7/23

                                Hope you're wrong.

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