Guys, again, the Kanter deal is nowhere near JV's max deal. So "a little below Kanter" and "max or close to it" are two very, very different things.
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raptors999 wrote: View PostIt's not that big a deal, hopefully he signs his extension but even if he doesn't the Raptors can sign a free agent when his cap hold is low then sign him as an RFA. It'll cost more but it isn't my money and after his new deal it'll be hard to find cap space especially with Demar
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DanH wrote: View PostGuys, again, the Kanter deal is nowhere near JV's max deal. So "a little below Kanter" and "max or close to it" are two very, very different things.
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DanH wrote: View PostNot going to be any cap space. Maybe 15M, if Ross isn't extended (and walks) and JJ walks (and I'm assuming Scola walks) which is laughable next summer.
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raptors999 wrote: View PostAren't Ross and JV cap holds really low. The real cap space eater would be Demar. If Raptors decide to get a #1 scoring option Demar would be the one to be gone. Not hating on Demar just his cap hold would be the biggest.
If Ross AND DD are let go, and JJ and Scola walk, then the best I can project for the Raps based on the 89M cap prediction from the NBA is 25.3M. That's enough (barely) for a max offer to a mid-career FA (not RFA, not 10+ years) like DeMar or Durant, etc.
It's not going to be just 1 guy let go. It will be a couple to several. And if JV or Ross get extended this summer then we're back to too little cap room to play with the big boys (read: most of the league). If both get extended we're looking at more like 15M in cap room, if DeMar walks.
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If we're talking stats then if he was receiving DeMar DeRozan type of opportunities you could mark him down right now for 24 & 12 (that's giving him DeMar's attempts per game multiplied by Jonas' FG% for PPG and extrapolating the rebounds to 12 by way of bumping his MPG up to 35 MPG).
If we're not talking stats then best center in the East and perennial all-star; possibly NBA second team and world champion.
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Apollo wrote: View PostIf we're talking stats then if he was receiving DeMar DeRozan type of opportunities you could mark him down right now for 24 & 12 (that's giving him DeMar's attempts per game multiplied by Jonas' FG% for PPG and extrapolating the rebounds to 12 by way of bumping his MPG up to 35 MPG).
If we're not talking stats then best center in the East and perennial all-star; possibly NBA second team and world champion.
Do think 20-10 is very possible although I'd expect his TS% to drop to the mid-low 50s.
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DanH wrote: View PostJV's is 11M. Ross' is 8M. DeMar's is 14.3M (unless he's an all-star again, in which case it is 15.2M).
If Ross AND DD are let go, and JJ and Scola walk, then the best I can project for the Raps based on the 89M cap prediction from the NBA is 25.3M. That's enough (barely) for a max offer to a mid-career FA (not RFA, not 10+ years) like DeMar or Durant, etc.
It's not going to be just 1 guy let go. It will be a couple to several. And if JV or Ross get extended this summer then we're back to too little cap room to play with the big boys (read: most of the league). If both get extended we're looking at more like 15M in cap room, if DeMar walks.
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JWash wrote: View PostFG% and efficiency would drop with that many shot attempts.
Do think 20-10 is very possible although I'd expect his TS% to drop to the mid-low 50s.
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JWash wrote: View PostFG% and efficiency would drop with that many shot attempts.
We're talking they make a better effort to get him the ball and also play him the minutes he deserves. It's not as high a shot increase as you're thinking.
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Apollo wrote: View PostDo you have something to back up that statement?9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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Apollo wrote: View PostDo you have something to back up that statement?
We're talking they make a better effort to get him the ball and also play him the minutes he deserves. It's not as high a shot increase as you're thinking.
Not saying he couldn't still be efficient, but he'd definitely see a dip there.
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KeonClark wrote: View PostHow about the history of the entire nba? Its not as simple as double the shots, double the points. If you think JV as currently constructed is ready to go from a 4th option mozgov/kanter to insta-marc gasol, I have a bridge in brooklyn I'd like to sell you
JWash wrote: View PostReality...? There's no way Val would be as efficient if he almost doubled his field goal attempts.
Not saying he couldn't still be efficient, but he'd definitely see a dip there.
I'm talking his minutes significantly increase, the offense includes him more and of course, like most talented young players, his game continues to improve and expand; things he's good at improve and also he improves on areas of weakness.
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Apollo wrote: View PostDo you have something to back up that statement?
http://ascreamingcomesacrossthecourt...fficiency.html
http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2...vs-efficiency/
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Apollo wrote: View PostIf we're talking stats then if he was receiving DeMar DeRozan type of opportunities you could mark him down right now for 24 & 12 (that's giving him DeMar's attempts per game multiplied by Jonas' FG% for PPG and extrapolating the rebounds to 12 by way of bumping his MPG up to 35 MPG).
If we're not talking stats then best center in the East and perennial all-star; possibly NBA second team and world champion.
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